Open Thread

Here is the basic idea of an open thread. This is where a comment, idea, link, or whatever can be posted when it doesn’t necessarily fit the subject matter of any available post. This also can be where people can lodge their complaints or make suggestions, including possibilities for future posts.

Plus, this would be a good place for rants, as I’ll be less discerning in my moderation of comments here. I encourage open discussion. But there are limits. If your comment creates a negative atmosphere or simply lessens my happiness, then it will not be approved. I will use my discretion. Make sure your comment is worthy of your time and my own.

11,315 thoughts on “Open Thread

  1. This election is so interesting. On the ground, a lot of “progressive” policies are getting passed even in non-blue states, people are getting elected who are the first of their identities (LGBT black, transgender, etc). Things unimaginable even 10 years ago. But the presidential candidates are neck in neck!

    • I must admit that I’m lacking in excitement. Trump is a horrific human being who is a dangerous loose cannon. But Biden has one of the most horrific right-wing authoritarian and corporatist political records in DC. If there is to be real positive change and progress in this country, it will happen from the bottom up.

      The reason we’re seeing progressive policies getting passed is because the vast majority of Americans are progressive. Trump isn’t progressive and Biden isn’t progressive, but the average American is radically far to the left of the elite in both parties. That is forcing a shift at the local level in state politics.

    • Trump did win a surprising number of minority votes. What was your mom’s motivation? I assume, since she went from Sanders to Trump, at least part of what swayed her was economic populism and/or political reform, right? How did other people you know vote? Did your dad talk about who he supported and why?

      Here is something else interesting. There is only one combined gender and racial demographic Trump did worse this election than last. It was white men, having dropped by something lie 5%. I bet no one expected that. There was another change. In 2016, he did well among white women and suburbanites. But this time, he lost the suburban white women vote. Suburbs are known for their racism, social conservatism, and GOP voting.

      It’s hard to know what the takeaway is about this. There is no obvious way forward for right-wing racist Trump Republicans. Are they going to finally court socially conservative minorities? That would requite a complete overhaul of their party. And what about Democrats? Losing minorities to Trump is a major rebuke to the DNC elite within the Clinton party machine.

  2. My takeaway from this election drama is that progressive ideas, on a local and state level at least, have definately picked up steam in a way unimaginable even a decade ago, but Americans still keep voting for dumbass supremes (both sides) on a national level.

    • I interpret it slightly differently. There still is some democracy at the local level. But there is no democracy at the national level. So, local politics represents the public opinion of the American majority, whereas that is not true of national parties.

  3. What I find striking is that most states have a 50-something/40-something or so percentage split between the candidates. Even the most heavily red/blue states have at least 30% voting for the other guy.

  4. The older tribal man refers to the earlier times when they ate pure ghee. Back then, even old men could stand up without needing support. But now, the young need support when standing. That’s the exact wisdom Weston A. Price learned from many traditional cultures, some of which considered butter to be sacred.

    • That might be a positive, but getting in the big biz game can be corrupting. If they wanted to avoid that corruption, they would be wise to follow the anarchosyndicalist model of democratic employee-ownership. Anarchosyndicalism is the perfect system for tribal ownership and management.

      The main and most successful example of that is the international Mondragon Corporation which operates multiple companies in various countries. Each company is operated semi-autonomously with major business decisions and leadership determined through employee voting. Smaller examples of this done in a more communitarian fashion is the East Wind Community that has been in business for decades. The community members are also the employees, and they likewise operate through voting.

      A similar example, although not democratic, is that of the Hutterite religious communities that collectively own and operate large farms, but they were so successful that other farmers in those states got jealous and passed laws limiting their ability to buy more land. The Shakers used to inspire similar jealousy of their communal agriculture, as they were considered the leaders of agricultural innovation, from technological abilities to horticultural skills.

    • Why don’t they simply return to their native diet?

      In the winter, northern indigenous people ate few if any plant foods. They might have small amounts of dried fruit in early winter and get some partially digested vegetable matter from caribou intestines. That would have been about it. But otherwise, their diet was almost entirely meat for a large part of the year. Even during the spring and summer, plant foods were extremely limited that far north.

      These populations were healthy before the introduction of industrial agriculture. Sure, there is ways to adapt industrial agriculture to the coldest regions, but in terms of health there is no reason to. The only advantage is simply if they enjoyed having more variety. But if being food independent is their desired goal, relying on native foods would be a smarter strategy.

      • I’m sure that requires a hunting lifestyle, with seasonal moving, but Inuit often forced into towns by the Canadian government. So I guess the sedentary town life isn’t as conductive to hunting and fishing the same way. Pollution in oceans has also made some seafood problematic…

        • I understand. Those are all good points. But I think we need to rethink our entire food system. That is the point I’ve made with posts about Eat-Lancet, carnivore diet, and veganism. Our present food system is neither healthy nor sustainable. To find what will be healthy and sustainable will require applying what we already know about traditional food systems, regenerative farming. It will also mean much experimentation at the local level, as local conditions and needs vary greatly.

          For far northern climes, that probably won’t mean imitating a plant-based diet that was developed for agriculture closer to the equator. Most of Canada and Alaska is not conducive to farming, not to say there is nothing wrong with finding ways to grow some plant foods for variety, even if does nothing to improve health. The question is this. Why do they think they need to eat more plant foods than did their ancestors? And why do they want to try to grow non-native plants? Instead, they should see about cultivating the plants that already grow there and were traditionally used.

          As for toxins in wild fish, that is a problem, although the oceans further north tend to have less pollution in them. A simpler solution is grazing caribou, moose, etc on the vast grazing lands they have up there. If they got innovative, they could also raise other native species for meat, from native birds to seal. I bet seal could be easily domesticated. None of that requires each family to hunt and fish. That is why food systems are created. With all the land they have up there, they could easily raise all the meat they needed through domesticated native species. They probably could produce so much that they could export some of it and turn it into a profitable business.

          This is what I mean. People need to start thinking outside of the box. Don’t necessarily try to copy what worked elsewhere. People need to learn to think more locally, about what can most easily, cheaply, and sustainably be done according to the conditions in which they live. Look to nature for answers. The potential sources for food are all around us, if we get innovative in thinking about how to use them in a modern, urban society. In poor communities, local solutions are all the more important, solutions that are simple enough that they require little investment and infrastructure, solutions that if need be can be operated on a very small scale but that when advantageous can be scaled up as well.

          These people are on the right track, though. They are thinking about food independence. But maybe they need to remember their own already established traditions of food independence and how they might be modernized. The wheel doesn’t need to be entirely reinvented. They already know the native sources of food their people have relied upon for millennia. The only thing that remains to do is to adapt those foods to a new social system, that of urban life. Maybe some people in those communities are considering such possibilities.

    • My guess is that it’s based on a recipe from Eastern Europe. But it could be Middle Eastern or even Indian. Possibly Mediterranean as well. It looks like it contains some kind of grain, maybe bulgur wheat. And I could imagine the meat is lamb.

  5. My dad only votes when I tell him to, so he’s not into voting in general. Just picks third parties because (they both suck) though he thinks Truml deserved to lose because of his covid handling (parents take covid seriously). Mom votes regularly and doesn’t vote third party because “they can’t win.”

    • That is always amusing an a bit infuriating. Why do third parties not win? Because not enough people vote for them. How could third parties win? If enough people voted for them. This isn’t rocket science.

      In the 1850s, the wise experts and ruling elite told the American public that third parties like the Republicans couldn’t win. Then the Republican Party won and guided the country through won of the most tumultuous periods in American history.

  6. I think healthy foods is a bit over thought. When I see examples of “healthy eating” in the US it always looks completely unappetizing, like I’d still be hungry after eating it. Probably due to the lack of fat. I’m into holistic health too but I just go with “natural Whole Foods”, which does include fatty meats, ghee/butter, dairy, etc. no overthinking

    • Our bodies can be tricked into eating unhealthy foods. That is what the big food companies have figured out with all the artificial flavors and flavor enhancers, far from limited to MSG. Many whole foods can’t compare with the intensity of flavor in processed foods.

      That is particularly true of the whole foods that get labeled as ‘healthy’. Celery is low fat and low-calorie, and therefore gets called ‘healthy’. But your body knows that is bullshit. But combine that celery in some nutrient-dense cream-based dip and your body will tell you to eat more of it. That celery is simply a carrier for what is actually healthy from all those nutrients in the dairy.

      Our bodies have their own intelligence. Most foods claimed to be healthy aren’t really healthy and our bodies know it. That is why they taste like crap or simply are unappealing and unsatiating. There is a reason nutrient-dense foods like cheese, butter, eggs, bacon, and steak are so delicious. It’s the same reason people traditionally cooked everything in animal fat, often lard, and slathered everything else in butter.

      Animal fats makes everything taste better. That sense of tastiness and satiation is how our bodies tells us it is good for us. It’s not complicated, but we modern humans get stuck in abstract ideologies. We are told to ignore our bodies. It goes back to the Christian theology that asserts the belief that the body is the source of sin. So, anything that tastes good must be bad for you. We need to get past this dysfunctional and dangerous belief system.

  7. Raw veggies are just unappetizing. They’re good when pickled, fermented, cooked with seasonings, in soup, etc. Salads with some vinegar or oil maybe. We’re shown raw veggies as examples of healthy eating but I don’t know many cuisines that include raw veggies much.

    • We’ve talked about raw veggies before. In traditional societies, it is rare to eat raw plant foods, sometimes not even fruit. Raw plant foods are typically considered inedible or dangerous. That makes sense when one considers how most wild plant foods or even early cultivated vegetables often were rather fibrous. And consider all of the disease outbreaks that happen from people eating raw lettuce, spinach, sprouts, etc. With farm animals and wild animals pooping and peeing all over the place, eating a raw plant in a traditional farming or hunter-gatherer society was not advisable. Modern industrial agriculture is more hygienic, but even then outbreaks happen.

    • I’m making some broth right now. It’s not pork bones that were added, though. My favorite bones are beef because of the meaty flavor. But the last couple of times I did put in some pork feet for added collagen. By the way, here is something I wrote about tonkatsu in a post about the Blue Zones:

      “The most popular form of pork in the early 1900s was tonkatsu, by the way originally fried in animal fat according to an 1895 cookbook (butter according to that recipe but probably lard before that early period of Westernization). “Several dedicated tonkatsu restaurants cropped up around the 1920s to ’40s, with even more opening in the ’50s and ’60s, after World War II — the big boom period for tonkatsu. […] During the Great Depression of the 1930s, a piece of tonkatsu, which could be bought freshly cooked from the butcher, became the ultimate affordable payday treat for the poor working class. The position of tonkatsu as everyman food was firmly established.” This pork-heavy diet was what most Japanese were eating prior to World War II, but it wouldn’t survive the conflict when food deprivation came to afflict the population long afterwards.”

    • Ultimately, I doubt they can ever be fully disentangled. They might simply be talking about the exact same dynamic or set of factors within our shared psyches and society. We may need an entirely different frame of understanding.

  8. The conflation of culture and race where visible racial differences make one “cultural” is irritating. White Americans also come in different ancestries and cultural backgrounds that influence their worldview. Many parts of Europe are hardly individualistic. My white American classmate from a conserbative hardcore Protestant Christian background is also culturally not mainstream. If she marries an Boston Irish dude and has kids, are they bi-cultural too? And Boston Irish people have distinct cultural traits too

    FWIW my parents perceived white parents as cold lol. To them asian Americans used more baby voices when talking to their kids while white parents would yell at their kids in public over stupid shit like spilling something 😆

    • It’s not only culture and race but also region, class, and sometimes gender. Most social science research is done on middle class white college students in the United States. And most medical science is done on middle class white men in the United States. When speaking of American white culture, it’s generally referring to the WASP demographic and the WASPs who are speaking (in politics, media, academia, etc) tend to be middle-to-upper class whites from a WASP background.

    • That is even true within a single society. American regions and races have quite different emotional cultures and behaviors. That is a point my dad made about blacks and whites in the Deep South. There was an established culture going back centuries that blacks shouldn’t express emotions to whites or any person in a superior position.

      But white American culture takes a lack of response as a lack of paying attention, a lack of interest, or something along the lines. It’s been argued this negatively affects blacks getting hired, as they tend not to do simple gestures like nodding their heads and making noises of acknowledgment.

    • I’ve suspected that we all are much more somatic creatures than most of us are willing to admit. That could explain why so much psychological, psychiatric, and neurocognitive health has such strong ties to physical health, including diet and nutrition. This is what Price called ‘moral health’ in referring to psychological wellbeing and pro-social behavior — that is to say people who seemed happy, friendly, easygoing, and helpful in getting along with one another. What if we Americans too often mistake the physical as the emotional and mental, as if there were a Cartesian divide between the two?

    • That could have to do with a number of things. There is an increase of mood disorders, anxiety disorder, and psychoticism. There are social, political, and economic reasons for this. All of these stressors create trauma and surely result in epigenetic changes. It’s primarily concentrated in and increasing among the young generations in urban areas.

      But as you know, I’d also argue for diet and nutrition as contributing factors. From tribes like the Piraha to Price’s traditional people, they were more confident and easygoing. They lacked the worsening neuroticism of so many younger urbanites raised on an industrial diet, not to mention overcrowded populations along with toxins, hormone mimics, etc.

      Also, I’ve argued that carbs, grains in particular, might have had something to do with the hyper-sensitivity of rising levels of autism. Wheat, in particular, wasn’t as widespread until modernity. And wheat consumption keeps increasing with each generation. My vegetarian nieces and nephews eat few fruits and veggies but a ton of bread, crackers, noodles, etc.

  9. I score low on neuroticism now on the big five, but I’ve done extensive trauma work around the fact that I grew up in an environment that made being “chill” almost sinful, lots of pressure to be busy, adults modeled neurotic behavior. I think I’m naturally easygoing but I felt ashamed of this when younger because of a hyper-competitive rat-race culture. So I would’ve scored higher on neuroticism before. I see this neuroticism in adults when I walk around still though, feel bad for them I guess.

    • My parents have a strong Protestnat work ethic. And they’ve embraced middle class WASP culture. It’s pretty much a full time job maintaining a middle class lifestyle. They belong to multiple groups where the middle class whites socialize. They are heavily involved, my dad often on committees and boards and in leadership positions. They are constantly working on projects. My dad loves to make spreadsheets for anything and everyone. Also, he’d sometimes spend hours a day on his favorite hobby, investing.

      Their house is always pristine. My mother, of course, is constantly cleanng. And my dad does almost all repairs himself. Even finished a room by himself with putting up a drywalls and a ceiling. Then there is endless outdoor work with the large yards that are typical in the Midwest. The landscapiing too is perfect and obsessively maintaned and mancured. My mom would garden most days of the week when the weather si nice. And my dad has to keep the lawn well-trimmed and free of all weeds.

      They are slaves to their lifestyle. And they really go crazy anytime other people are going to visit. This constant busyness has only slowed down with Covid-19, and it has made my mom depressed that she doesn’t have constant activity to preoccupy her. I suppose all of this is neuroticism, but I’m not sure. It could be more an expression of conscientiousness. Despite all of the obsessive activity, my parents’ embody that otherwse laidback attitude of Midwestern culture. They want success, respectability, and the good life. They constantly keep up with the Joneses. Yet they don’t seem particularly stressed.

      Even so, their lifestyle holds no appeal to me. I’ve tested for big fiive traits in the past, but I don’t remember my results. I’m sure I came up low on neuroticism and conscientiousness. Some of that is obviously inherent to personality, as much of it has been true of me going back to childhood. I was the kid who could have a bloody wound or infected cut and be entirely indifferent about it or simply not notice. And I simply did not care about how I looked as a child. I’d randomly put on clothing that would match on pure accident.

      Some of it might be an autistic-like condition combined with long-term depression. I just don’t care about what many others think is absolutely important. I can only be motivated about what personally interests me and my interests have little to do with what is considered respectable, worthy, and normal to most of the rest of society. I don’t what causes such things. I simply always knew I wasn’t like my parents and didn’t want to be like them. Nor did I have any desire to be a part of the capitalist system, partcularly the social Darwnian rat race. If I have food and a place to sleep, I’m contented.

      Much about Americn society makes no sense to me.

  10. I sometimes think I need to eat more plants, but raw veggies just aren’t appetizing. I improve my veggie intake by making soups or fermented Or pickled veggies like kimchi, but I don’t see myself ever having a side salad with meals or something.

    It’s funny how raw tomatoes are not appetizing, but made into a sauce or soup, it’s great. One cookbook author noted that toddlers who turned their noses up at veggies would happily eat them when put into a soup.

    • Most people think that way. That is because that is what experts and authority figures are always telling us. We are indoctrinated with plant-based ideology from childhood. It’s drummed into our vulnerable little minds. It is told to us in school and shows up even on kid shows.

      Even when vegans and vegetarians change diets to allowing meat, they’ll still typically eat vast amounts of veggies. That is what is seen with the Wahls Protocol. It’s a paleo-like diet where one of the levels is keto. Like many paleo-like diets, Dr. Tery Wahls, a former vegetarian, recommends eating massive amounts of veggies.

      I was like that when I first did paleo. I was eating more veggies than my vegetarian brothers and their families. I had this idea in my head that plants are healthy and so the more plants must mean more health. And it was a lot of work constantly buying, preparing, and cooking fresh veggies. And it was expensive.

      Turning away from the paleo diet, I experimented with other low-carb diets. This eventually brought me to carnivore. But even then, I kept feeling like I needed to add in vegetables. So, I’d always make sure to enclude certan plant foods like kimchi, sauerkraut, fermented pickles, etc.

      But it slowly occurred to me that I didn’t particularly enjoy eating vegetables, not that I hate them either. I decided to experiment with full carnivore again. I find it so much more satisfying. Once I get that indoctrinated voice in my head to shut up and simply listen to my body, I don’t feel much hunger for vegetables.

      Still, I feel like eating some olives or avocado or whatever, I’ll do so. It’s not dogmatic ideology. But it’s taken me a long time to learn to listen to my body. That includes the issue of raw veggies, as I just don’t digest them well. It doesn’t matter what anyone tells you is healthy.

  11. East Asian trauma is underrated. Within our grandparents lifetime, Mass urbanization and migration, WW2, political and social upheaval, imperialism/colonialism, cultural revolution, Korean War, oppressive governments, poverty, inequality, etc. Intergenerational trauma is itself such a new field, and the very limited research regarding Asian Americans mostly SE Asian refugees and their kids. “Model minority” BS even for East Asians ignores the fact that up until the last decade or so present-day white collar East Asians grew up poor.

    • This is probably a confusion of recent waves of immigrants. In the past, immigrants tended to be poor. But on average, immigrants these days are wealthier and more well-educated than the average American. The non-WASP cultures that were formed, such as Asian-Americans, include mostly people who aren’t necessarily recent immigrants. But the well off immigrant groups are those that get all the attention. There are plenty of poor Asian-American communities that get ignored because they don’t fit the stereotype. That is because the people producing the entertainment and news media only live around the wealthier Asian-Americans, many of them being part of more recent immigrations. It would be like judging all Hispanics based on the Cuban communities consisting of the wealthy families that escaped Cuba when it turned communist, even as many other Hispanics have high levels of poverty and trauma.

    • I’d say many Americans of various races and ethnicities feel some equivalent of han, specifically as loss of collective identity and familial separation, along with a general feeling of oppressiveness, anxiety, and depression. American society pulverizes identity down to hyper-individualism and has been built on centuries of endless immigration.

      American culture is purified trauma. But it’s become so all-encompassing that few Americans can even see it for what it is, as it has become normalized as culture itself. With Koreans, there is still a living memory that maybe this isn’t the way things are meant to be, as the history of what caused it is still remembered.

    • I always wish studies like this would also focus on the outliers. There had to be some people who didn’t respond differently with those who didn’t fit a stereotype in an extreme way. So, what made those individuals unique from most others? That would be so much more interesting to understand.

    • I don’t think there is anything necessarily wrong with seeking to medically understand mental illness. Obviously, all mental illnesses would have a biological component since we are biological creatures. The issue is not a problem of the medical model, per se. Rather, what kind of medical model would be most helpful. We need a better model for healthcare in general that sees humans in their entirety: biological, psychological, social, etc. All of its inseparable.

    • That’s nice to that there is beginning to apply this knowledge of collective trauma in a therapeutic setting. This kind of simply wasn’t available in the past. The thing I sometimes if all of us are collectively traumatized in the United States.

    • I never watched either movie. I’m not sure why. It just didn’t seem too appealiing. But I never gave much thought to why. I guess, going by previews, I assumed it would be really stupid humor but probably not stupid in a clever way like Sarah Silverman. From the article, I liked the conclusion:

      “Part of the reason I’m a Marxist-Leninist is culture. Everyone in the West is constantly ridiculing Soviet art and how the media used ordinary people to further the Soviet political agenda. But in Soviet Russia, you actually saw milkmaids and tractor drivers on TV. They were presented as important people.

      “In Western media, you only ever see rich, powerful people and celebrities. If any peasants even make it onto your screen, they will be the butt of a joke or steamrolled into submission to the Gods of Entertainment by a juggernaut like Ellen or Maury Povich. Here, you’re allowed to be aspirational to capital, like a five-year-old who runs a lemonade stand. You’re allowed to be a disaster, like a woman coming from poverty and pregnant with her grandpa’s kid. But you’re not allowed to just live.

      “There are exceptions, but most are borrowed and few are non-fiction because caring about poor people and their issues is considered niche. Besides, would you really want to participate in capitalism if you saw the ways it really affects people?

      “And while media portrayals of the poor are dishonest, they also promote the false narrative that unless you’re rich you can’t be joyful or funny. You can’t feel love or be loved. Sure, the poorer you are the, more expensive life becomes and the more survival drains you, but there is nothing more absurd than the assertion that humanity is expensive and few can afford its luxury.

      “That’s why YouTube and TikTok creators are such a respite for many: they have something that Reese Witherspoon doesn’t, no matter how many wigs she puts on, that Cohen’s most ingenious pranks will never achieve: authenticity. We still just want to see a chill dude from Idaho skateboard to an old-fashioned song. A self-proclaimed peasant from Hebei chugging beer. A bunch of Ghanaians making an honest living by lighting up a funeral.

      “Because this is the content that actually makes the world better. That makes people less racist and more understanding of each other. Xenophobia can’t thrive when people actually know how people of a different class, race, or ethnicity live: it has no alienation to feed on.

      “Yet when you just watch a rich white guy ape existing stereotypes, you only become more assured of what you think you already know. You are fed more racist, imperialist propaganda. The only purpose that serves is to undermine the open-mindedness and connection to each other we need to make sure the Holocaust never happens again. And although it seems like an important pursuit for Sacha Baron Cohen, I’m afraid he will keep failing at it until he recognizes that to avert genocides, you need to understand how they happened in the first place. And it’s always the same: by those in charge of the cultural dialogue substituting stereotypes for humans.”

    • That was sort of the original model of the US political system. The candidate in first place got the presidency. And the candidate in second place was made vice president. But some thought that made it hard for an administraton to get things done. So, they changed it to our present winner-takes-all model. That was a very unwise decision. That single change made our rabid and superficial partisanship inevtable.

    • I was reading the revised and expanded edition of Lev Vygotsky’s classic Thought and Language. He is considered the father of Soviety psychological studies. It’s a good read and was unavailable in the West for a long time. This new edition has a foreword by Alex Kozulin where historcal background is given and it helps explain how different was early Soviet thought.

      Vygotsky did some interesting work wth Alexander Luria about intelligence. When Weston A. Price was traveling to rural communities in the 1930s, these two visited the rural areas of Soviet Uzbekistan and Kirghizia (now the Kyrgyz Republic). Many of these people were still living an essentially peasant lifestyle, as the revolution had little impact at that point.

      They were able to observe the differences between concrete thinking and abstract thinking, the latter havng much to do with fluid intelligence which is the key component to the Flynn effect of risng IQ this past century. But Stalin and other Soviet leaders saw this as dangerous research or as contradicting communist ideology/propaganda, not that Stalin was a principled communist.

      Shortly before Vygotsky’s premature death in 1934, the Stalinists were consolidating their power and enforcing authoritaran control. One of the main battlegrounds was the field of psychology. Their was a clamp down about what was allowed and not allowed. Even though Vygotsky was held up as a respected figure, his kind of research was suppressed.

    • I saw that video. As a cashier, I don’t think I’d try to do that myself. I’m not a fighter, to say the least. But interestingly, as far as I know, no city ramp cashier has ever been robbed in Iowa City over a half century of operations. That is impressive. So, I’m not too worried about it, even when I work late nights alone.

    • I already saw that video too. She handled herself well. She acted with confidence and stood her ground. In this video and in the other, it’s good that the assailants did not have guns. Martial arts can’t necessarily defeat a gun-wielding criminal. And a lot of people are carrying guns in the US. Even though the US doesn’t have overall higher rates of crime than other Western countries, there is a higher rate of crime ending in violence and death.

    • There is a simple solution. Test and monitor for any sociopathic or abusive traits, tendencies and behaviors in all individuals employed as or seeking employment as police officers. Maybe test for all of the Dark Tetrad traits: narcissism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy, and sadism. There is absolutely zero reason for someone testing high on any of these traits to ever be considered for employment in a position of authority where violence can be wielded against citizens.

      Anyone that shows strong evidence of any of these, particularly a pattern of abuse including spousal and child abuse, should not be hired or else immediately fired. For damn straight, when an officer uses unnecessary violence, they should be immediately put on leave and investigated. And when unnecessary violence leads to death, the officer should be immediately fired and arrested, as would happen with any other person. Basically, law and justice, prosecution and punishment should apply equally.

    • Of course, very few of the foods shown in the video would offer much vitamin D. I suppose there were some that were fortified with vitamin D. But the only one that might naturally have vitamin D would’ve been the can of fish. Traditionally, people got vitamin D in the far north from sources like cod liver, either in whole form or as oil.

  12. So ptsd disqualifies you from joining the military, but you will probably come out with PTSD compared with if you didn’t join smdh. Also seeing a therapist for over a year disqualifies you. Given the changes in society and therapy becoming more popular, they might as well run out of eligible people given that young people aren’t known for their superb mental health these days. Also, even without having seen a therapist many people have baggage that would be worth taking to counseling, so it’s not like they’re eliminating people with mental health baggage by discriminating against those who’ve been to counseling.

    • If anything, the people who refuse to go to counseling probably on average have mental health issues that are greater in number and worse in degree. It’s the untreated mentally ill people who are the greatest worry in our society. That said, I understand some of the reasons people avoid getting help. Even when help is sought, therapy and drugs have little positive effect for many, maybe most, people. Consider antidepressants that have been proven entirely ineffective for most people being prescribed them. But the answer is to improve treatment, which would mean changing the model.

  13. Insurance systems in the US require diagnosis for reimbursement so unless you pay out of pocket a diagnosis is needed. In contrast, in Canada, diagnosis is not needed for insurance reimbursement. As someone who thinks everyone has baggage and wounds and could benefit from counseling with a counselor who is a good fit, I can’t stand the US system or our current either/or model of mental health. Mental health is for everyone, not just those who fit into a DSM label which changes every few years anyway.

    • In general, US healthcare is based on diagnosis. This is related to categorizing and labeling diseases according to sets of symptoms. It simplifies disease in a model designed for bureaucratic capitalism, not only insurance companies but for large for-profit drug companies and hospitals. It serves the purpose for which it was designed and so it is successful to that end.

      The US has a very specific kind of bureaucratic capitalism and it is highly effective for greater profits for big biz. Healthcare-related corporations probably make much more profit in the US than in Canada. In terms of profit, it is irrelevant about which system provides the best healthcare outcomes, best serves the public good, and is most compassionate.

    • Yet, over the decades, they’ve been loosening other standards. They allow less physically healthy and fit people into the military. Also, they accept people with records of criminality, gang activity, white supremacy activism, etc. You’re fine as long as you don’t have mental illness while being an obese, diabetic, criminal who belongs to a bigoted violent gang.

      Then when you come out of the military, you probably will have mental illness and you won’t be fit or anything in society, other than maybe returning to your gang or leading a criminal life. This is why they have the hiring preferences for veterans in government jobs because otherwise many of these veterans would be unemployed. But what kind of bureaucracy do we create when we concentrate all of the most dysfunctional people into government agencies and departments?

  14. Most people suffering (and honestly, most to all people suffer to varying extents) don’t seek help, if even seeking help disqualifies them, what’s the point, wondering with the same symptoms if they never seek help they’d probably get in?

  15. Native Americans, poor people, etc join the military at high rates yet these communities have such rigjt rates of trauma and trauma inducing situations. Given our traumatic society molding “mental disorders” in people, it’s fucked up to discriminate against people for having very human responses to fucked up contexts.

    • That is how social Darwinism operates. It’s been this way for a long time. I don’t know about other societies, but the US has never been particularly friendly toward mental illness. Or rather it’s part of class war. The upper classes can have mental illness and suffer no consequences. The poor and working class or even the lower middle class, on the other hand, have to worry.

      This was seen with the views of neurasthenia in the late 1800s to early 1900s. Among professionals, intellectuals and artists, to have or to claim to have neurasthenia was a badge of honor in that it demonstrated that one was ‘civilized’. It was assumed only the most civilized classes, races and ethnicities were prone to neurasthenia. Whereas poor people with psychological problems were either made homeless, somehow taken advantage of, or thrown into prison.

    • Few people have a good grasp of what trauma means in the real world and everyday experience. Most traumatized people probably don’t relaize they are traumatized and that probably includes the majority of Americans. It’s maybe related to the state of affairs with the lack of public understanding of democracy. We Americans have little sense of the distinction between health and sickness, either on the personal level or societal level.

  16. Mental health also isn’t either/or where you’re either “ill” per the DSM or not. I also think most estimates “rates” of various DSM diagnosis especially the common ones like depression, anxiety, adjustment, PTSD, etc are underestimates. But when people with symptoms are that common, who’s the sick one? Sick individuals, or some collective malaise?

    • It is common sense. And we already have a lot of scientific research about it. We understand the causes and many of the causal mechanisms. Also, we know how to prevent, reduce, and treat many of the factors and problems involved. It would require not only an entire overhaul of the healthcare system but of our entire society. The entire sysem is sick and begins harming people in childhood and earlier. Social stress, lead toxicity, etc is already harming fetuses before birth. In fact, the harm inherited from epigenetics is happening prior to conception.

      • One of the limitations of the ACE score (mine is 3) is that it’s limited to family context. The broader levels of friends/school/town, community, societal Etc, are not accounted for. In my personal trauma counseling for example, I rarely talk about my family or parents, I talk mainly about my experiences in high school among peers and teachers and my hometown

        • It’s a crude, simplistic, and limited measure. But it points in the same direction as plenty of other data and research. We know how various stresses and other stress-related factors (poverty, racism, malnutrition, toxins, parasite load, etc) affect people and the disadvantaged most of all. Continuously and cumulatively, all the large and small stressors add up to a pervasive sense of anxiety and an unrelenting trauma that never has a chance to heal. The worst trauma doesn’t come from family but from the entire society, often systemic and institutionalized. Some Americans live in the equivalent of military-occupied warzones.

          I was looking at the data on gender imbalances. Ya know how right-wingers complain about single black mothers and the lacking black fathers. It’s bullshit, of course, to an extent. Blacks, poor blacks most of all, are disproportionately imprisoned and trapped in the legal system. Even then, some data shows that black fathers on average are more involved with their children than white fathers. There is nothing about blackness that genetically determines parenting failure. But there is an element of truth to missing fathers in another way. Black males have a high mortality rate, from infancy through childhood and into adulthood. This is a symptom of racism, poverty, and inequality.

          So, the black men are missing partly because a lot of them are dead. Interestingly, among all races, the data shows that when women greatly outnumber men, marriage rates go down. The fewer remaining men are less motivated to settle down, but the point is it has nothing to do with them being black. The same pattern is found with gender imbalances among whites. And such gender imbalances are typically a sign of some kind of greater social imbalance and societal dysfunction, such as high inequality and class war that has so terrorized or otherwise harmed the population that so many men have been lost to society. This then forces women into a tough position.

        • About stress, it is interesting that women appear to be better at coping with stress. I’ve seen that indicated in various data and studies over the years. Men tend to burn out, get sick, and kill each other when under stress. Maybe that is an evolved strategy. The masculine impulse is to do something about stress. But when the source of stress can’t be solved or fought or even identified, what results is an impossible situation that often leads to self-destructive behavior and other negative outcomes. Some of it is simply biological, though, such as seen with why there is greater male infancy mortality rate. Males just die easily.

          For most of human existence, it was the men’s job to sacrifice themselves when need be to protect women and children. Men only need to live long enough to reproduce and then they are expendable. The male body wasn’t designed for a long lifespan in the way the female body seems better able to accomplish. In evolutionary terms, an older woman adds more value to a society than an older man. Maybe this has to do with childrearing needs that older women can still offer, even as they age. Whatever the reason, mortality rates are almost always higher for men at any age and under any conditions. Women surely get just as traumatized by stress but they are more likely to go on living.

    • My life is often out of sync with the rest of the world.

      The pandemic has been the opposite of stressful for me. But I’m fortunate in many ways. I’m in a healthy time of my life. A quarter century of crippling depression was alleviated in the last couple of years. My job is secure, even when everything was shut down.

      Yet when my life was shitty for decades, most people went about their lives as if nothing was wrong. The stresses of Covid-19, to my mind, are simply generations of problems coming to the surface. Those problems were already there.

    • I doubt there will be a large shift of populations back to rural areas any time soon. But I could imagine conditions that could make it more probable.

      Definitely, Covid-19 has changed a lot. It does point in a new direction. Industrial, service, and retail sectors of the economy are still largely forced to be concentrated where populations are concentrated.

      But in places that have become deindustrialized, we are finding how much work can be done outside of offices and other central locations. Plus, many jobs are never coming back. In the future, it might become less relevant where you live.

      By the way, in the video, why does one child have her face blurred but none of the other children? That was strange.

    • No matter how much terror and harm caused, the Telegram did absolutely nothing to counteract these violent hate groups until there were “emerging stories of neo-Nazi National Guard and Army personnel networking and plotting attacks on Telegram.” Then and only then, the company began “taking thorough action against some of the most prominent and violence-promoting entities on its platform.” That demonstrates one of the problems with our present capitalist system. It’s the same reason Facebook ended up widely promoting propaganda, fake news and conspiracies, as causing conflict and riling people up was profitable.

    • There were also people of African descent in Germany that was even mentioned by Hitler in the Mein Kampf. They were concentrated in the Rhineland, what is also referred to as Alsace-Lorraine, the border region with a lot of mixed populations. It’s where many Jews were found as well, the location in which Yiddish developed. I’ve mentioned before that all the way back to the colonial era, Benjamin Franklin was complaining about the dark-skinned Palatine Germans from this area.

  17. One thing I notice is that you can sometimes tell when someone’s teeth are straight due to braces or naturally. When they’re due to braces, the facial structure with the narrow and elongated and even asymmetrical is still there. Also, it’s common for the person to have “big teeth” or teeth that seem too big for their lower face.

    • Yeah. I’ve become hyper-aware of asymmetry, narrow jaws, crowded teeth, and disproportionate features. It indicates something that likely went wrong with bone development. I also notice underdeveloped and odd bone structure in general, such as people who have thin bones or an odd gait such as pigeon-toed. Bad eyesight could also have to do with bone structure by crowding the eyeballs.

      What surprises me is how many malnourished-looking people who grew up in good homes with parents that had plenty of money and access to healthcare. If even many wealthier Americans are malnourished, the poor and working class don’t have a chance. How is it, in the wealthiest country in the world with respected scientific research institutions, we still hasn’t figured out something so basic as to ensure it’s populaton isn’t stunted and deformed?

      It’s a serious problem. Bone structure is simply the most obvious result because it can be outwardly seen. But if the bones are stunted and malformed, then likely much else is as well. Malnourishment will cause developmental problems with the brain, nervous system, immune system, and everything else. Certainly, there has been sharp rise of numerous diseases of civilization, neurocognitive disorders, and mental health issues.

      I further think about Weston A. Price’s ‘moral health’. Maybe all of the nutritional deficiencies and related problems contribute to the greater sense of malaise, anxiety, stress, conflict, etc. People just feel crappy and act in strange ways. Their bodies, including their brains, simply are not functioning normally. It’s unsurprising that a culture of trust feels like it’s eroding. People sense something is wrong, but can’t quite figure out what. Maybe a large part of it is simply ill health.

      I’ve wondered if someone like Trump would never exist in a physically healthy society. His diet is based on fast food and he has probably been eating that way his whole life. Of course, he had better access to good quality food than most and his family could afford to eat plenty of animal foods. But still, if not only malnourishment, there is also the issue of all the toxins, pesticides, fertilizers, preservatives, taste enhancers, artificial sweeteners, hormone mimics, etc.

      On top of that, there is the issue of the American diet becoming high in carbs, especially sugar and high-fructose corn syrup, and industrial seed oils. That can cause a lot of damage not only in metabolic health but damage to mitochondrial health. All of these factors can also alter epigenetics and so get passed on, with each generation accumulating all the epigenetic alterations from not only parents but grandparents, great grandparents, etc.

      We Americans first began eating an industrial diet around the time of the Civil War. That was when they began learning how to process and package foods in factories. And that kicked into high gear more than a century ago. So, the damage has had many generations to accumulate. I’m shocked by the such poor health in a rich country but even more shocked by how few people seem to notice or care. It’s become normalized.

    • There is another disturbing detail. Malnourishment can be undone to some extent simply by adding nutrition back in. Bone stunting and malformation can’t be reversed, but many diseases can be such as metabolic dysfunction and even some neucognitive disorders. Most health issues will respond to improved diet and nutrition, even as long term damage can’t entirely be remedied. Epigenetics also can potentially be reset within a single lifetime or at least across generations.

      But what can’t be eliminated is alterations to the DNA itself. That is what makes industrial seed oils so tragic. They are mutagenic. There is seen an increase of de novo (first generation) genetic mutations in certain conditions like autism. Those genetic changes are permanent and will get passed down. We are doing a strange genetic mutation experiment on the modern industrial population. And we are many generations into this experiment.

      These seed oils were introduced to the market around the late 1800s to early 1900s and replaced animal fats in the 1930s. That means my grandparents were the first generation to consume seed oils for all or most of their lives. Now my nieces and nephew brings that to the fourth generation of seed oil mutation. Each generation has more physical and mental health issues than the last.

      Both of my nieces have skinny bones and one is pigeon-toed. All of the kids in this younger generation have more neurocognitive issues than my brothers and I had at that age or that my parents have ever had. What will happen in another generation or two if seed oils remain a major part of the diet? How much more mutation can we take before really serious dysfunction sets in?

    • That is my interpretation of most similar accusations, such as political correctness. Right-wingers are some of the whiniest people around and are constantly language policing, if in a demented and reactionary way. They are projecting their desire to enforce social control through control of language, rhetoric, narrative, and metaphorical framing in order to control how people think, talk, and publicly debate.

      “let’s honor a rapist and a slaveowner who put slaves teeth in his own mouth as decoration. there ftfy can you fuck off this sub?”

      “It’s ironic that history experts in these comments complaining about the defacement of our “mythical” first president and pointing out that racism still exists missed the several days in history class where symbolic acts of civil disobedience and property destruction are taught as celebrated parts of American history.”

      “I don’t know how many people here have seen the pioneer statue in person but it is profoundly creepy. I always got the feeling that the sculptor knew they were being asked to make an homage to genocide but needed the commission.”

    • I understand it, but I find it odd. One can see the logic of the thought process. These people are thinking that, if I was treated that badly and if my people had been oppressed for centuries, I would blame those other people and want to have my revenge.

      It’s what one thinks when one’s position feels precarious, which is a valid feeling in such an unstable society that probably will result in mass violence at some point. I just don’t think revenge exactly will be the final tipping point for revolt or whatever. Most people don’t think that way.

      But to be honest, I couldn’t really care. If all the non-white people somehow rose up and overthrew the white elite, maybe killing some whites along the way, I’d see it was sad and unfortunate as is any violence. Still, I doubt I’d be motivated to join my white brethren for a counter-coup to take back our white power and privilege.

      If blacks or anyone else wants to take over running society, I wish them well. I say the same thing in response to the fear of women taking over, as more of them are going to college and moving into higher positions than ever before. But I really don’t feel any desire to defend the patriarchy. It might be an interesting experiment to see what society is like when enough women are in positions of power.

      It’s also similar to those who worry about China becoming the next superpower. I also wish the Chinese all the best in their endeavors. I feel no ill will toward the Chinese succeeding. And I’d be happy if some other country took over the role of being the global superpower for a while. I simply don’t want to be part of an empire and so hope the America Empire ends.

      I don’t hate white people or men or America. I’d prefer to live in an egalitarian society where everyone everywhere in the world was treated equally. But that ain’t gonna happen anytime soon. So, we’ll carry on. I just can’t get too excited about any of it. Demographics and power shifts, as it has over the centuries. It’s nothing new.

      Yet truth be told, I lack confidence that much is going to change in my lifetime. There will be violence here before long, that I don’t doubt. But I don’t see white males being entirely thrown out of power in the near future. And I suspect the American Empire in its present form can go on kicking for a while longer, assuming there isn’t an unforeseen catastrophe that sends it all tumbling down.

      For certain, I don’t look at people of color with a sense of fear that I am their enemy and so therefore they are my enemy, that war of the races is inevitable where one must defeat the other and rule in totality. And average person of color probably isn’t thinking along these lines either. Most of us are just trying to get by in life.

      But if there is a revolt, I might join in. I don’t have any romantic fantasies about any of it, though. If and when a revolt or civil war or whatever comes along, I somehow doubt my chances of survival would be great. That would be even more true if reactionaries or authoritarians either sought to suppress it or co-opt it. A white male police officer, soldier, or thug is more likely to kill me than a revolutionary uprising of colored folk seeking revenge against the White Man.

  18. Dunno if you notice this on Iowa’s campus, but many college sports teams have foreign players. I notice on my campus that the foreign athletes have better facial structure than the US ones

    • I honestly can say that I haven’t a clue. I don’t follow sports in the slightest. I have nothing against team sports. And I enjoyed playing soccer as a kid. But watching sports has never interested me. I’m not sure why that is.

      Maybe it’s my lack of team spirit. Even when I played team sports, I couldn’t be made to care if my team won. I care even less about a team I’m not playing on. My competitive edge is rather weak.

      I prefer hackysack where there is no winning or losing. The physical skill part is the only thing that really gets my attention. I’d rather watch a gymnast, a martial artist, a skateboarder, a juggler, etc.

      About foreign athletes, I do recall in high school that some of the best soccer players I played with were immigrants or came from immigrant families. Some of them were really stocky and muscular, indicating healthy development.

    • It is telling that major sports teams in the West are so dependent on recruiting immigrants and foreigners as players. But what happens after those countries fully adopt the same crappy modern industrial diet? Then where will good players be found? Team recruiters will have to seek out isolated tribes to find the last remaining healthy specimens of the human species.

      • My foray into what mainstream Americans eat might be when traveling for cross country races, we’d stay at a classmates parents house who lived near the race site. Granted it’s for fueling for the race the next morning but I remember pasta and bread and skim milk for dinners.

        • That sounds about right. Around the late ’80s or early ’90s, my mother started buying skim milk and I was drinking it. But we always had whole milk before then.

          Of course, lots of carbs was a given. When one eliminates fat, the only other source of energy is carbs. I don’t recall carbing up for games. But some mother would always bring sugary drinks and orange slices.

          That period really shifted the diet and it was when our present detary ideology fully took hold. It was shortly before that when the 1986 Consensus Convention occurred that finally silenced the critics of low-fat dogmatism.

          That was the final victry of Ancel Keys.

          The Big Fat Surprise
          by Nina Teicholz
          pp. 142-145

          “The Consensus Conference

          “If a large portion of middle-aged American adults are now cutting back on meat and taking statin pills, it is due almost entirely to the step that the NHLBI took next. Dispensing drugs and dietary advice to the entire US population is a huge responsibility, and the NHLBI decided it needed to create a scientific consensus, or at least the appearance of one, before moving forward. Also, the agency needed to define the exact cholesterol thresholds above which it could tell doctors to prescribe a low-fat diet or a statin. So once again, in 1984, NHLBI convened an expert group in Washington, DC, with a public meeting component attended by more than six hundred doctors and researchers. Their job—in an unrealistic two-and-a-half days—was to grapple with and debate the entire, massive stack of scientific literature on diet and disease, and then to come to a consensus about the recommended cholesterol targets for men and women of all ages.

          “The conference was described by various attendees as having preordained results from the start, and it’s hard not to conclude otherwise. The sheer number of people testifying in favor of cholesterol lowering was larger than the number of spaces allotted to challengers, and powerful diet-heart supporters controlled all the key posts: Basil Rifkind chaired the planning committee, Daniel Steinberg chaired the conference itself, and both men testified.

          “The conference “consensus” statement, which Steinberg read out on the last morning of the event, was not a measured assessment of the complicated role that diet might play in a little-understood disease. Instead, there was “no doubt,” he stated, that reducing cholesterol through a low-fat, low-saturated-fat diet would “afford significant protection against coronary heart disease” for every American over the age of two. Heart disease would now be the most important factor driving dietary choices for the entire nation. After the conference, in March 1984, Time magazine ran an illustration on its cover of a face on a dinner plate, comprised of two fried-egg eyes over a bacon-strip frown. “Hold the Eggs and Butter!” stated the headline, and the story began: “Cholesterol is proved deadly, and our diet may never be the same.”

          “As we’ve seen, LRC had nothing to say about diet, and even its conclusions on cholesterol were only weakly supported by the data, but Rifkind had already demonstrated that he believed this extrapolation was fair. He told Time that the results “strongly indicate that the more you lower cholesterol and fat in your diet, the more you reduce the risk of heart disease.”

          “Gina Kolata, then a reporter for Science magazine, wrote a skeptical piece about the quality of the evidence supporting the conference’s conclusions. The studies “do not show that lowering cholesterol makes a difference,” she wrote, and she quoted a broad range of critics who worried that the data were not nearly strong enough to recommend a low-fat diet for all men, women, and children. Steinberg attempted to dismiss the criticisms by calling her article a case of the media’s appetite for “dissent [which] is always more newsworthy than consensus,” but the Time cover story in support of Steinberg’s stated conclusions was clearly an example of the opposite, and on the whole, the media supported the new cholesterol guidelines.

          “The consensus conference spawned an entirely new administration at the NIH, called the National Cholesterol Education Program (NCEP), whose job it remains to advise doctors about how to define and treat their “at-risk” patients, as well as to educate Americans themselves about the apparent advantages of lowering their cholesterol. In the following years, the NCEP’s expert panels became infiltrated by researchers supported by pharmaceutical money, and cholesterol targets were ratcheted ever lower, thereby bringing greater and greater numbers of Americans into the category that qualified for statins. And the low-fat diet, even though it had never been properly tested in a clinical trial to ascertain whether it could prevent heart disease, became the standard, recommended diet of the land.

          “For longtime critics of the diet-heart hypothesis such as Pete Ahrens, the consensus conference was also significant because it marked the last time they could speak openly. After this conference, Ahrens and his colleagues were forced to fold their case. Although members of the nutrition elite had, over the previous two decades, been allowed to be part of the debate, in the years following the consensus conference, this was no longer true. To be a member of the elite now meant, ipso facto, supporting the low-fat diet. So effectively did the NHLBI-AHA alliance silence its antagonists, in fact, that among the tens of thousands of researchers in the worlds of medicine and nutrition over the next fifteen years, only a few dozen would publish research even gingerly challenging the diet-heart hypothesis. And even then, they worried about putting their careers on the line. They saw Ahrens, who had risen to the very top of his field and yet found himself having a hard time getting grants, because there was “a price to pay for going up against the establishment, and he was well aware of that,” as one of his former students told me.

          “No doubt this is why Ahrens, in looking back on the conference, which came to be his swan song, spoke with an uncharacteristic lack of reserve. “I think the public is being hosed by the NIH and the American Heart Association,” he declared. “They desire to do something good. They’re hoping to God that this is the right thing to do. But they are not acting on the basis of scientific evidence, but on the basis of a plausible but untested idea.” Plausible or even probable, however, that untested idea had now been launched.”

    • That was a sweet and happy story, but it was sad that they lost contact for so long. I could understand why the other woman stopped writing. That is what depression can do to a person. The impulse to isolate oneself, though, just ends up making the depression worst.

      I’m still friends with my childhood best friend. I still see him on a weekly basis. Maybe that is why I place such high value on friendship. Two other close friends I’ve known for more than two decades. I don’t have a lot of friends, but the friends I have are important to me. I consider them as equal to family. That has been the hardest part about this pandemic, in not being able to freely socialize.

      The world would be a better place if everyone had lifelong friends. That used to be a much more common experience when people spent their entire lives in the same community. It’s similar to the loss of extended family, something I’m quite familiar with. The breakdown of social ties adds to the sense of stress and anxiety so many people feel these days.

    • I sent that to my sister-in-law. It will make her happy.

      She is a partisan Democrat who hates Trump. She would vote for the most corrupt corporatist, oppressive war hawk, and callous law-and-order candidate as long as they were a Democrat who supported LGBTQ rights.

      That is about all she cares about. If gay people can get married and visit their spouse in the hospital, it doesn’t matter how many poor people, minorities, and foreigners suffer and die nor does it mattere how powerful becomse the big biz plutocracy.

      She is a one-issue voter, but it doesn’t even matter if Democrats actually do anything about that issue. They just have to say the right rhetoric every now and then. Democrats good. Republicans evil. That is the extent of her thought.

  19. Japan has poor facial growth common as well, appearently poor facial growth is more common than older generations despite increased height, but my impression is that generally, Japanese have better facial growth than Americans, though funny-looking people aren’t uncommon either.

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