Favorite Spiritual Songs

Favorite Spiritual Songs

Posted on Dec 21st, 2008 by Marmalade : Gaia Child Marmalade
 
 
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Marmalade said

I posted these songs in response to Nicoles thread in the God Pod.

Favourite Spiritual Music

In that thread, I also linked to these three chants.

Trance Tara by Jonathan Goldman

Medicine Buddha by Jonathan Goldman

Hare Krishna by Vaiayasaki Dasa

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Centria said

Thanks for posting these, Mr. Ben. I will listen to some of them. (some of them I already know and they’re great.)

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Marmalade said

You’re welcome. Which ones do you already know? I was already familiar with these songs, but I decided to pick some versions I hadn’t heard before.

I think I might’ve heard Johnny Cash sing gospel before, but I’m pretty sure I’ve never heard him sing I’ll fly away. I’m not big into choirs, but as backup singers for Johnny Cash it works out quite well.

BTW the Jerry Garcia video has its embedding disabled. If you just double-click on it, you’ll be brought directly to the video on Youtube. He has a better version of this song on The Pizza Tapes album.

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Centria said

I’ve loved “I don’t know how to love him” since first hearing it in the 60’s or 70’s at our church. In fact, can probably sing you (even though off-key) the whole Jesus Christ Superstar album. Also the Johnny Cash I’ll Fly Away. Maybe some of the others, but will need to click to find out! (but need time to do that…)

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Favourite Spiritual Music

Nicole said Dec 21, 2008, 10:39 AM:

  Can be Christmas music, or other music that makes your spirit soar or pause in awe…Nordic Chamber Choir – O Magnum Mysterium (M. Lauridsen)

Love and light,

Nicole 

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Marmalade said Dec 21, 2008, 7:45 PM:

  In the specific terms of spirituality, I do enjoy something like Jesus Christ Supestar… and also I love the sweet melancholy sounds of some of the more religious mountain ballads… likewise with certain gospel songs. Less directly in terms of spirituality, I find that any emotionally-moving music can put me in a spiritual mood.  For instance, I sense that at the bottom of almost any love song is the longing for that which is beyond us… which for me implies God… especially songs about frustrated love because no love in this world can ultimately satisfy us.

On the other hand, most music that is intended as religious usually doesn’t inpire much of a spiritual sense in me.

Marm 

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Nicole said Dec 21, 2008, 8:00 PM:

 

I Don’t Know How to Love Him

 

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Marmalade said Dec 21, 2008, 8:03 PM:

  Yep, that is the one.  I’m trying to think of some more specific examples.  I’ll see if anything comes to mind.  I know there are a bunch of spiritual mountain ballads that are utterly beautiful, but offhand I can’t think of the name of any. 

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Marmalade said Dec 21, 2008, 11:03 PM:

  Okay, here ya go.  I collected together some favorite songs of mine that inspire a sense of the spiritual for me.  You can find them in my most recent blog.Favorite Spiritual Songs 

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arpita [no longer around] said Dec 21, 2008, 11:04 PM:

  …don’t have a favorite i don’t think… but i like these a lothttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfSV_k3MhCw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADrEUUxniAw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY5wxOhlPig&feature=related 

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Marmalade said Dec 22, 2008, 12:08 AM:

  arpita – I liked the second one, but I loved the third.  That is one of my most favorite mantras.  There is an interesting cd by Jonathan Goldman called Trance Tara.  I couldn’t find it n Youtube, but here it is on Last FM.  Even my friend who doesn’t like mantras enjoyed that cd.  Another interesting cd by Goldman is Medicine Buddha. Its funny I hadn’t thought of mantras when I saw this thread.  I guess I don’t normally think of mantras as music, but essentially they are.  My first experience with mantras I believe was with a group of Hare Krishnas when my brother was interested in that religion.  The Hare Krishnas always seemed like nice people to me, and for that reason I have fond memries of their very well known mantra.

My favorite version of it comes from a cd titled Kirtan Rasa by Vaiayasaki Dasa.  Some of his Hare Krishna chanting can be found in this video.  I enjoy his passion.

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Nicole said Dec 22, 2008, 10:42 AM:

  Marmalade, I’m listening to your selection. Really loving Down to the River to Pray – what a pure lovely voice, wonderful harmonisation and very heartfelt too.For some reason the embeding was disabled on Man of Constant Sorrow (was that it?)

How about O Brother, Where Art Thou – I’ll Fly Away? (I was listening to the Soggy Bottom Boys version of Constant Sorrow and was led there…  though I see you have the Johnny Cash version with the Baptist Catholic Methodist – ? wow! 🙂 – Choir)

There is something really heart-warming about this music, isn’t there?

Thanks so much!

Love,

Nicole 

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Marmalade said Dec 22, 2008, 11:41 AM:

  Of all those songs, Down to the River to Pray might be the one I enjoy the most.  However, I do love Let the Mystery Be. Iris Dement is on the top of my list of favorite singers.Yeah, that is the version of Man of Constant Sorrow that wouldn’t embed.  There is a shorcut you can use when that happens.  If you double-click, it will bring you directly to the video on Youtube.  Jerry Garcia has a version that I like more which is on The Pizza Tapes album.  There are many good renditions of this song.

I did have in mind the movie O Brother, Where Art Thou.  All the songs in that movie are quite lovely.  I chose to share the Johnny Cash version because I like his voice.  I’d heard he’d done gospel, but I think that might be the first time I heard him sing I’ll Fly Away.

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Nicole said Dec 22, 2008, 10:18 AM:

  arpita, I really liked the second one, which is a Bogoroditsye Dyevo, the Russian Orthodox version of Ave Maria – other settings I enjoy very much are (all three have such a totally different interpretation eh? you’d never know it’s the same prayer) -Russian church music is all a cappella, so lovely…

Bogorodice, Djevo, radujsja / Sergej Rahmanjinov

(though my favourite part of Rachmaninoff’s Vespers is the Nunc Dimittis – Nyne Otpushchaeshi – Rachmaninov Vespers)

Bogoróditse Djévo (Arvo Pärt )

The Tara Mantra is very beautiful as well, very moving

Thank you so much! Now, on to Marmalade’s music, this should be fun!

Peace,

Nicole 

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arpita [no longer around] said Dec 22, 2008, 10:58 AM:

  hi Nicole
thanks for linking the Rachmoninoff… actually i was going to link that originally – for Boroditse devo … (since the choir i belong to has been singing that – and it is so beautiful … but when i found the chant – it was so sublimely simple that i posted that instead… 

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Nicole said Dec 22, 2008, 12:41 PM:

  Your choir is doing the Rachmaninoff, arpita? Wonderful! I think of all the music I have sung in choirs over the years, it was his Vespers that absorbed me the most completely (even more than Handel’s Messiah or Brahm’s Requiem) – even years later, I find myself completely under its spell without notice.Marmalade, I agree, all the music in Brother Where Art Thou is great. It was really that movie that helped me get as fond of bluegrass as I am now.

Love,

Nicole 

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nimrod [no longer around] said Dec 22, 2008, 1:51 PM:

  Brahms’ German RequiemMy partner and I were vacationing in Zurich.  It started to rain one day while we were out strolling.  We decided to duck into a nearby church to get away from the downpour.  As we opened the doors, the sound of what turned out to be a 40-voice choir rehearsing the Requiem poured out onto the street.  Even though I was swept away by the beauty of the music and my tear ducts were clamoring for attention, I remained a dry-eyed manly little fellow. 

They went on to rehearse the next piece for their concert which turned out to be –of all things!–that chestnut of all choruses, the Robert Shaw Chorale setting of “Battle Hymn of the Republic.”  That’s when the water works erupted.  I guess I was a little more homesick that I realized! 

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Nicole said Dec 23, 2008, 10:22 AM:

  This is a glorious work, nimrod, full of light. Like Faure’s Requiem, there is nothing dark or depressing about Brahm’s German Requiem, though it has some very intense and thrilling interpretations of the texts from Hebrews 13, 1 Corinthians 15 and Revelation 4 (original German below).My favourite movement in this regard is #6. It was very exciting to sing in concert, a lot like being on a rollercoaster or in the midst of a waterfall 🙂

I like this video because it shows the translation of the words as they are singing. Best of all, Bryn Terfel is the baritone!

Brahms Requiem – Mvt. 6, part 1
Brahms Requiem – Mvt. 6, part 2

Denn wir haben hie keine bleibende Statt, sondern die zuknftige suchen wir.
Ebr. 13,14.

Siehe, ich sage euch ein Geheimnis: Wir werden nicht alle entschlafen, wir werden aber alle verwandelt werden; und dasselbige pltzlich, in einem Augenblick, zu der Zeit der letzten Posaune. Denn es wird die Posaune schallen, und die Toten werden auferstehen unverweslich, und wir werden verwandelt werden. Dann wird erfllet werden das Wort, das geschrieben steht: Der Tod ist verschlungen in den Sieg. Tod, wo ist dein Stachel? Hlle, wo ist dein Sieg?
l. Korinther 15, 51-55.

Herr, du bist wrdig zu nehmen Preis und Ehre und Kraft, denn du hast alle Dinge geschaffen, und durch deinen Willen haben sie das Wesen und sind geschaffen.
Off. Joh. 4,11.  

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Alluvja said Jan 27, 2009, 2:45 PM:

  I just only now found this thread.
Some wonderful music.
I  (have) Brahms requiem, I’ve heard Faurés but I’m not so knowledgeable about it as you seem to be.
Great thread Nicole, thxs.
 
Edited PS:  I did post this under your relevant post of  December and linked it to reply to post , so I’m not quite sure why it appears here and not under the appropriate post. 

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Mr. said Dec 24, 2008, 1:13 AM:

  I like music that is spiritual in flavor and sentiment but not necessarily religious per sey. Joan Osborne’s “What If God Were One of Us? or U2’s “In The Name Of Love” are some pop music examples. I have also written stuff that is spiritual without being religious. 

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Marmalade said Dec 24, 2008, 2:08 AM:

  That is the way I am, Mr.  I wonder why some people are moved by “religious” music and some aren’t.  I wonder if it has to do with what we experience as children or at other pivotal times of life.  I grew up in small alternative churches that didn’t offer much in the way of traditional choral music.  I pobably heard more folk-type religious music.  It also probably helps that I spent years living in South and North Carolina.Marm 

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Mr. said Dec 25, 2008, 11:42 AM:

       Marmalade,     I think thatwhat you know from your past and what you grew up with plays a part. I also think that what you are exposed to as you grow to be your ownperson does as well. I am familiar with Gospel  music having listened to a lot of Soul music and its roots when I was younger. I am also familiar with Choral music having been in the school choir during elementary and middle school before puberty changed my voice.

     I do like some Gospel and Choral music. I like “Oh Happy Day” for Gospel and “The Grapes of Wrath”, Swing Low Sweet Chariot” and “Amazing Grace” for Choral. I like particular songs more than particular artists. I write music in various genres as well.

     It may just be me but I believe that all music is spiritual in nature. It is emotion channeled. Hearing a great song for the first time is akin to a deeply moving religious experience. 

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Ua said Dec 27, 2008, 11:24 AM:

  From a very young age music was the door in which the spirit walked through to open my soul.  From Led Zepplin Houses of the Holy to TOOL; vibrations have centered me, sent me, questioned me, shown me my infinite oneness and my complete isolation in this bag of cells. When my daughter was very young maybe five or six months the Dali Lama was in San Diego.  A friend owned a herb store and was very involved with the Free Tibet movement, because of this she had seven of the Dali Lama’s monks staying at her house.  They all came by the store to give her thanks while we were visiting.  They asked if they could chant welcome to my daughter.  I held Chloe while the monks circled us and began chanting.  Their voices…. I can’t put into words what it’s like to stand in the center of that vibration.  By far musically and spiritually I have never experienced anything like that.  Almost like every cell in my body had ears and heard the chant in a different voice but at the same time in perfect unison.  

I wish I could post each of these songs for your  pleasure but alas I lack the skills.  I know most of these songs are on youtube so please enjoy…….

1) Ben Harper with The Blind Boys of Alabama- Satisfied Mind (actually check out the whole album, There Will Be A Light)

2) Ben Harper- With My Own Two Hands

3) Bob Marley- Misty Morning, Kaya, Rasataman Chant…. OK I might as well just say…. Bob… Nuff said 🙂

4) Grateful Dead- Ripple

5) Jimmy Cliff- Many Rivers to Cross

6) Ray Charles & Willie Nelson- A Very Good Year (From the Genius Loves Company album)  
7) Down to the River to Pray (Yup, that’s a good one! Oh Brother Where Art Thou truly a great soundtrack.  Voices of Angels for sure) 
8) Pearl Jam- Insignificance

9) Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan & Eddie Vedder- The Long Road (Please listen to this song!  Ali Khan has a voice that is truly inspired and even though I didn’t know what he was saying for the longest time this song moved me to tears and when my grandfather died I must have played this song a hundred times.)

I hope you enjoy these songs as much as I do and look foward to playing your selections also.  

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Nicole said Dec 27, 2008, 5:18 PM:

  Ua, Mr and Marmalade, thanks for keeping the thread warm…Joan Osborne – One of Us

U2 Pride (in the Name of Love)

Ben HarperSatisfied mind

Bob Marley Misty Morning

Bob MarleyKaya

Bob Marley Rastaman Chant

Grateful DeadRipple

Jimmy CliffMany Rivers To Cross

Pearl JamInsignificance

Nusrat fateh ali Khan & Eddie Vedder – The Long Road

Love you muchly (especially wonderful to have you back Ua!),

Nicole 

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Ua said Dec 29, 2008, 9:06 PM:

  Yea… Links!  Thank you!!!   Nicole, I never really left; just observed for awhile.  I love seeing how these conversations wander, twist, dance and evolve.  Seeds growing into trees harvesting soul food for sure.  Sometimes the greatest lesson for myself is to simply watch others come to understandings… It gives me faith in all of us.  

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Nicole said Dec 30, 2008, 8:11 AM:

  Observing is good, Ua, yes, I love the way you put it,Hugs,

Nicole 

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Jenny said Jan 26, 2009, 4:57 AM:

  http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=d63COahIpVM 

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Taikunping said Jan 26, 2009, 5:20 AM:

  At present my favourite piece of music is “You Raise me UP”- Josh Groban It changes from time to time, another is Return to Innocence by Enigma and another is “Lifted” on the album Ocean drive by the Lighthouse Family.  

Mantras by Hein Braat is good and very uplifting too 

Love and light

Tai 

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Jenny said Jan 26, 2009, 5:55 AM:

  Ha Tai, are we on the same wavelength? we post in same place again same time 

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Jenny said Jan 26, 2009, 5:52 AM:

  forgot to say that last one is by Deva Premal 

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Mirenithil said Jan 26, 2009, 5:40 AM:

  A lot of Hawaiian music. A lot of it’s so joyful and uplifting; a lot more of it is mellow and relaxing. One of my favorite groups is named Hapa, and their song Ka Uluwehi O Ke Kai is one of the joyful ones entirely in Hawaiian. The instrumental-only track Justin’s Lullabye by the same band is one of the most soothing things I have ever heard and was an immense comfort to me in a time of need two years ago. Keali’i Reichel also has a lot of stuff that’s wonderful. Another song that makes me want to get up and dance with the world is “Live A Little” by the Hawaiian Style Band, as is “Spread A Little Aloha (Around the world)” by the Mana’o Company. I also have to mention Bruddah Iz’s (Israel Kamakawiwo’ole) version of “Somewhere Over the Rainbow.” It’s as pure a song of the joy of living and thanksgiving as I’ve ever heard without being explicitly religious. 

Rod Stewart also has songs that make me want to just get up and dance for the joy of living (and that, to me, is spiritual.) Particularly “Rhythm of my Heart”. “Forever Young” is a blessing set to music. 

Bach, Vivaldi, and the like also strike me as deeply spiritual, though. 

And, yes, got to love “Return to Innocence” by Enigma. Wow, that one’s amazing. 

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Taikunping said Jan 26, 2009, 5:55 AM:

  The first time I heard Return to Innocence I went tingly all over, you could say it was “one of those moments!”  I had a similar reaction to Phil Collins “Somthing in the Air Tonight” – long time ago now. 

New Age music is great especially “And So to Dream” by Mike Rowland. 

Somewhere over the Rainbow is one of those special songs….. 

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Taikunping said Jan 26, 2009, 5:59 AM:

  I’ve been thinking for a while to post here, yes Jenny we did it again! I love music all kinds another favourite is a version of Pachelbel Canon, arranged by Kevin Kendle – Album Pure Peace – New World Music. 

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Jenny said Jan 26, 2009, 6:02 AM:

  Pachelbels is one of my alltime favourites. My son Rowen knew I loved it and had it played at his wedding which was really sweet and when it started playing he looked across at me to see what my reaction would be. I also love a few of Phil Collins. I’ll fish around in Youtube and find my favourite. Groovy kind of love 

It has a really special meaning for me. Back in 1988 when I was very unhappy it kept coming on the radio and when I turned on the radio and when I walked into shops it would be playing every time I felt really down and I took it to mean there is a person on the other side of this existance that loves me unconditionally and it felt like a promise that someone special would be there for me. 

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=uCexfCIC79M 

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Taikunping said Jan 26, 2009, 6:11 AM:

  Must have been a great day Jen. Vivaldi – the 4 Seasons is a good one too. 

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Jenny said Jan 26, 2009, 6:16 AM:

  Yea Yes Vivaldi too yes and it was a great day 

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Jenny said Jan 26, 2009, 6:17 AM:

  When I used to massage I always played Enya and some other beautiful nature music 

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Jenny said Jan 26, 2009, 6:23 AM:

  Hows this one for awesome though   …Carmina Burana by Carl Orff http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=C0i9uWNDvDg 

In Canberra one year it was turned into a huge outdoor opera with huge fires and hundreds of performers from children to old people all using the fire theme in candles and fire sticks. held down near the lake in the middle of winter. . Stunning it was. Fire operas were held 3 years running and we went to them all and they were incredible. 

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Taikunping said Jan 26, 2009, 6:39 AM:

  Hey, I’ve got Enya too on my favourites, haven’t got her new one, but mum has, must borrow it!  I have The Memory of Trees on CD, rest on tape.  Do you like Clannad too….hauntingly beautiful music. Must check out your youtube after dinner, just been preparing some home made veggie soup.. 

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Jenny said Jan 26, 2009, 6:42 AM:

  I got the new Enya for christmas. I like Clannad too. 

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Taikunping said Jan 26, 2009, 6:49 AM:

  I have a very soothing CD with water, birds song and monks singing – excellent for using for relaxation – can’t remember the name of it now, could be one I’ve taped from a friend, must find it and listen again. I’m drumming with a friend from our group at 2pm, we need the practice, drumming can be very uplifting and energising 

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Nicole said Jan 26, 2009, 8:08 AM:

  Tai, Jenny and Silverpony, so wonderful that you have been enjoying this thread. Music is such a big part of my life that I was hoping for an active ongoing discussion on everyone’s favourites, and now it looks like it’s happening.  I first got to appreciate the beauty and joy of Hawaiian music on my first visit there in 1986. The language itself is so lovely and flowing. I just found this song on youtube: 

Keali’i Reichel sings Kawaipunahele 

I have loved the Carmina Burana for years, and was thrilled when I got the chance to sing it in a big combined choir (not as big as that performance for the Prince of Wales though, what a great show that must have been). It was fun learning to pronounce Latin in the old German style, satisfying to sing the choruses.My favourite aria from it is Dies Nox et Omnia, baritone solo, but I couldn’t find any version on YouTube I liked. 

The choir I’ve just started singing with will be doing a lot of very gorgeous music, a bit off the beaten track (except for the Ave Verum by Mozart), and yes some Vivaldi, his “Credo” – one of the ones I find most entrancing is  

Versa est in Luctum

though it’s sad – the words mean 

My harp is tuned for lamentation,
and my flute to the voice of those who weep.
Spare me, O Lord,
for my days are as nothing.

Love, 

Nicole

  

 

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Taikunping said Jan 26, 2009, 9:35 AM:

  Most beautiful video and such soothing Hawaiian music. I would like like to sing more in a group. Our drum teacher may teach us some African songs to sing along with the drumming. 

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Nicole said Jan 26, 2009, 10:55 AM:

  African songs and drumming are a magical combination. You must get so much joy from your drumming group! how about the Native Flute? It has such a warmth and resonance 

Spiritual Flute: The Beauty of Nature 

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Jenny said Jan 27, 2009, 5:22 AM:

  Thats beautiful. I spent ages listening to over 10 different versions of the Allelujah Chorus. Thats also stunning. Good idea for a group. I keep thinking of more. The music of Taize is lovely too but I couldnt decide which one to link to. I particularly love their earlier music which had no instruments or just guitars. There is a wonderful book called Brother Roger and it tells about how Taize got started. I think it has become too commercial now though. But I think my current fav music that raises my spirits and transports me is Deva Premals song that I linked to earlier

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=d63COahIpVM

and this version is really ethereal. 

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Taikunping said Jan 27, 2009, 5:47 AM:

  Just coming to post a tibetan singing bowl youtube link! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BckaOwrn1ok&feature=related The Music of the Spheres 

I found it was very heart related, the guy playing the bowls was really in the flow..

Found this when watching the images and crystal singing bowls Nicole 

Will go check out your link Jen 

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Nicole said Jan 27, 2009, 9:11 AM:

  Tai, sorry you were having trouble with that link, singing bowls are awesome. Is this anything like what you were trying to post? 

The Music of Music of the Spheres 

Jen, I love singing Taize/playing the flute – it brings us into a beautiful space of worship.

There are so many great Taizes, but this is one of my favourites: 

 

And in honour of Mozart’s birthday anniversary,

 

 

 

 

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Taikunping said Jan 27, 2009, 10:07 AM:

 
One evening an old Cherokee told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people. He said, ‘My son, the battle is between two ‘wolves’ inside us all.One is Evil. It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.The other is Good. The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather: ‘Which wolf wins?’The old Cherokee simply replied, ‘The one you feed.’
Hi Nicole, that was the right one! I found this on the spiritual flute link (one of the comments on the music) I rather liked it…
The flute was magic, haven’t caught up with the other links yet. Just so much beauty to drink – my cup is full!
Love Tai
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Nicole said Jan 27, 2009, 10:23 AM:

  I love that parable, Tai. So, may your cup run over with joy and bliss! 🙂 Here’s some more Mozart – Lang Lang is such a phenomenon, do you know of him? 

 Lang Lang Mozart Piano Concert nr24 c-moll Kv491 (part1/3) 

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Taikunping said Jan 27, 2009, 10:51 AM:

  I doKNOW him now -very rousing, I shall put all that power and spirit into making the tea ! 

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Jenny said Jan 27, 2009, 2:09 PM:

  Hi Tai and Nicole, I love this group. Enjoyed Mozart. Happy Birthday M.Heres something a bit different but also enjoyable and touching. 

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=R0xoMhCT-7A

Have a great day. Gotta go to work.

Hugs Jenny 

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Nicole said Jan 27, 2009, 4:13 PM:

  Jenny, Alluvja,


Have a good day at work, Jenny.That’s a lovely, warm rendition of What a Wonderful World, great pictures in the slideshow too.

Alluvja! Good to see you. Your post appears in the right place on my screen – maybe you have the “unthreaded” or “newest first view? Or it could be another glitch due to the new format.

I would like to know the Faure Requiem better. There is nothing like having to perform music to motivate one to learning it really well 🙂 so maybe I will have a chance to sing it one day.

I love this part of that Requiem, it is so ethereal, makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up 🙂

Faure: Requiem (In Paradisum)

In paradisum deducant te angeli,
in tuo adventu
suscipiant te martyres,
et perducant te
in civitatem sanctam Jerusalem.
Chorus angelorum te suscipiat,
et cum Lazaro quondam paupere
aeternam habeas requiem.
 

May the angels lead you into paradise,
May the martyrs receive you
In your coming,
And may they guide you
Into the holy city, Jerusalem.
May the chorus of angels receive you
And with Lazarus once poor
May you have eternal rest.

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Taikunping said Jan 28, 2009, 5:00 AM:

  That song and the singer were so gentle, peaceful and full of love Jen, greatLove Tai 

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Nicole said Jan 28, 2009, 7:45 AM:

  I hear from our friend Albert that 2009 is Handel year in Australia. I love the Messiah, but here’s something just as magnificent from Handel’s Zadok the PriestDarn! That didn’t work 🙂 let’s try this

http://ckuik.com/Zadok_the_Priest_-_Georg_Friedrich_Handel 

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Taikunping said Jan 28, 2009, 10:57 AM:

  Just had my late afternoon burst of Zadok before making tea and unstacking the dishwasher – haved a blessed day
Tai 

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Nicole said Jan 28, 2009, 12:31 PM:

  Thanks, Tai, just about ready to go to work now, I’ll leave you with this Dougie Maclean song (sweet strings accompanying)Dougie MacLean – Broken Wings 

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Taikunping said Jan 30, 2009, 9:26 AM:

  so soft and gentle, a little sad…
 
for some reason I thought of Cat Stevens – Moonshadow
 
I listened a while agot to a 10min Youtube of the lotus sutra, it was quite an experience, it sort of vibrated in the chest – it was a tone, more than anything – interesting… 

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Nicole said Jan 30, 2009, 10:12 AM:

  Yes, I could see why Moonshadow might have come to mind… The lotus sutra sounds like quite an experience.

This one has very lovely images too…

Relax – Buddhist Meditation Music – Zen Garden … 

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muji said Jan 30, 2009, 11:32 AM:

  I received Nicole’s invitation to this celebration. She said to bring classical music. I was going to post “Oh Well” by the very old Fleetwood Mac when they were still led by Peter Green who was going through his Jesus phase. But, the video was removed by Warner Brothers for copyright infringement!To me, “spiritual” is anything that moves me closer to my center, toward wholeness or nothingness. “Oh Well” is one of the most paradoxical pieces of music you’ll ever hear. It begins as raucous instrumental blues rock that stops on a dime, and after a cowbell (!) Peter Green sings without backing:

“I can’t help about the shape I’m
I can’t sing, I ain’t pretty and my legs are thin
But, don’t ask me what I think of you
I might not give the answer that you want me to
Oh well…”

Cowbell, more revved up guitar and another stop and cowbell…

“Now, when I talked to God
I knew He’d understand
He said ‘Stick by me and I’ll be your guiding hand
But, don’t ask me what I think of you,
I might not give the answer that you want me to’
Oh well…”

Cowbell, raucous guitar and a climax that segues into seven minutes of pseudo classical Spanish guitar with recorder and cello, completely instrumental. There’s Nicole’s “classical music”!

This was my “spiritual music” when I was a teenager. This, some other music by Peter Green, and George Harrison’s “All Things Must Pass” album. It’s now forty years later and I’ve found other music that moves me in different ways. But, the important element has always been MOVEMENT.

I was in a workshop once conducted by John Pierrakos a co-founder of Bioenergetics. It was my first with John, a 76 year old Greek man with incredibly vibrant energy. John was one of the most real, the most emotionally honest people I’ve ever met.

At the start of the workshop, one of the women put on some new age CD, the typical ethereal stuff, until John arrived. As soon as John did arrive, he IMMEDIATELY said to “Turn that off! It’s keeling the energy!” And, absolutely EVERY time we grew silent, withdrawning our energy, holding our breath and leaving our bodies, John would confront the forty of us and plead for us to help him while he worked to unblock one of us individually.

One particular moment I’ll never forget. John had a woman over a roller, a two-foot diameter cylinder that was used in the work he did. It’s similar to the exercise balls around now, but more stable. Someone would lie face up onto the cylinder with the middle of their back, the area where the diaphragm attaches to the spine, contacting the cylinder. Feet would be planted on the floor and arms outstretched to open the heart. The head would be allowed to hang loosely.

John hovered over this woman, who he had instructed to breathe very deeply, and squeezed her throat muscles. It looked like he was strangling her. You could feel the fear in the rest of us. There was a silence. John looks up at us and says “BREATHE! Feel this yourselves! I’m an old man, I need your help…don’t keell the energy!” We obeyed and within a minute, the woman cried out as loudly as she could with the cry of a BABY! Every single one of us IMMEDIATELY began to sob. What she’d been holding in resonated with what we all hold in to different degrees. Our ACTIVE participation helped HER release and her release helped US release. I’ll never forget the oneness of that experience. And, that oneness is what I see as “spiritual”.

ANYTHING that facilitates this, any kind of music, an understanding look, a crisis…it really doesn’t matter what, anything that facilitates MOVEMENT can help us experience transcendant wholeness. 

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Nicole said Jan 30, 2009, 4:25 PM:

  What a powerful and moving experience that was, muji. There are so many, many ways and kinds of music and experiences that can lead us further into wholeness, I most heartily agree!

Thank you so much for this post. It’s tremendous.

Love,

Nicole 

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Taikunping said Feb 3, 2009, 8:33 AM:

  I find “Out of the Depths” (De Profundis) very moving – it’s by Terry Oldfield
 
 
It’s on the New World Music label
“the lapping waves of sound that ride Terry’s flute and the alluring siren-like vocals of Imogen entice you deep beneath the surface, where whale song provides an emotive counterpoint for a haunting lyrical plea.  This compelling musical prayer of heart felt communion alternates with cascades of enthralling beauty and joyous freedom, unfolding a feast of glorious sounds
Voted Album of the Year – think it was 1993
 
this is the blurb off the back of the CD!
  
picture of Ocean Creature Playing Image 

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Nicole said Feb 3, 2009, 9:53 AM:

  Great music and wonderful picture. I love whales!Now let’s see, whale music:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=p_o6NQX7lmE

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=xo2bVbDtiX8&feature=related

Love,

Nicole 

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Taikunping said Feb 3, 2009, 10:23 AM:

 
 
have a happy day – I wonder what those whales were talking about… 

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Nicole said Feb 4, 2009, 8:08 AM:

  Love your dolphins. They are delightful. Yes, who knows what philosophical discussions we were listening in on from the depths of the ocean? :)Here are dolphins to the sounds of Pink Floyd:

Echoes – Pink Floyd part 1  

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Taikunping said Feb 7, 2009, 11:05 AM:

  in deep appreciation to dolphins and the ocean
 
 
 
One of my dolphin CD’s “Harmony” by David Sun – New World Music
 
 
 
“This delicate, imaginative music links the playful, complelling voices of Dolphins with the soothing sounds of their watery world.  The effect is powerfully comforting, inspiring and restful, drawing on upon the Dolphin’s renowned healing powers to balance the listener…
 
 
 
above moving dolphins from guess where, photobucket.com
 
 
 
Love and light to all dolphins 

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Nicole said Feb 8, 2009, 8:12 AM:

  Sounds like a wonderful CD, Tai,I just discovered this today, isn’t it lovely?

Ocean



Peace,

Nicole 

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Taikunping said Feb 9, 2009, 2:58 AM:

  the music took you to a deep ocean, where the waves just moved forever
 
 
 
I saw this video too on the same page – called Water by Keplerne1
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22idB502CTI&feature=related 

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Nicole said Feb 9, 2009, 9:30 AM:

  Exactly, the endless waves of being, Tai, you know it.Unfortunately the video you linked is showing up as unavailable.

Tai, I’m an absolute nut for Ralph Vaughan Williams’ music, and this is one of my very favourite performances of one of my favourite songs by him. It is very oceanic, no wonder they used it in the score of Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World 🙂

Ralph Vaughan WilliamsFantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis




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Taikunping said Feb 18, 2009, 3:54 AM:

  It sounds like waves rising and falling, beautiful ….. it was a shame about my video not working.  If a video shows as feature related does it mean that it isn’t shown for very long on youtube.  I still haven’t worked out all the technical stuff! 

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Nicole said Feb 18, 2009, 8:54 AM:

  Yes, that’s right, you can hear the waves… oh too bad, I wish you could have seen it. I don’t know what “feature related” means, this video has been on youtube for a long time though…May I share another favourite? Another fantasia, this time on a much more familiar song

Fantasia on Greensleeves – Ralph Vaughan Williams

Hope you can see the video, lots of beloved trees 🙂

Hugs,

Nicole 

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Taikunping said Feb 19, 2009, 4:49 AM:

  Hi Nicole, that was beautiful, just like walking up on Bickerton Hills….I love Greensleeves, it was one of my favourites on the recorder and guitar when I was learning – don’t think it would sound quite the same on my drum!
 
A good way to start my day.
 
The loading and unloading is getting a little slow, would you like to start another music thread? 

The Paranormal and Psychology

A hallucination may occur in a person in a state of good mental and physical health, even in the apparent absence of a transient trigger factor such as fatigue, intoxication or sensory deprivation.

It is not widely recognised that hallucinatory experiences are not merely the prerogative of the insane, or normal people in abnormal states, but that they occur spontaneously in a significant proportion of the normal population, when in good health and not undergoing particular stress or other abnormal circumstance.

The evidence for this statement has been accumulating for more than a century. Studies of hallucinatory experience in the sane go back to 1886 and the early work of the Society for Psychical Research [1][2], which suggested approximately 10% of the population had experienced at least one hallucinatory episode in the course of their life. More recent studies have validated these findings; the precise incidence found varies with the nature of the episode and the criteria of ‘hallucination’ adopted, but the basic finding is now well-supported.[3]

[…]

The main importance of hallucinations in the sane to theoretical psychology lies in their relevance to the debate between the disease model versus the dimensional model of psychosis. According to the disease model, psychotic states such as those associated with schizophrenia and manic-depression, represent symptoms of an underlying disease process, which is dichotomous in nature; i.e. a given subject either does or does not have the disease, just as a person either does or does not have a physical disease such as tuberculosis. According to the dimensional model, by contrast, the population at large is ranged along a normally distributed continuum or dimension, which has been variously labelled as psychoticism (H.J.Eysenck), schizotypy (Gordon Claridge) or psychosis-proneness.[25]

The occurrence of spontaneous hallucinatory experiences in sane persons who are enjoying good physical health at the time, and who are not drugged or in other unusual physical states of a transient nature such as extreme fatigue, would appear to provide support for the dimensional model. The alternative to this view requires one to posit some hidden or latent disease process, of which such experiences are a symptom or precursor, an explanation which would appear to beg the question.

 
 

A person diagnosed with fantasy prone personality is reported to spend a large portion of his or her time fantasizing, have vividly intense fantasies, have paranormal experiences, and have intense religious experiences.[3] His or her fantasizing may include extreme dissociation and intense sexual fantasies. People with fantasy prone personality are reported to spend over half of their time awake fantasizing or daydreaming and will often confuse or mix their fantasies with their real memories. They also report several out-of-body experiences.[3]

Research has shown that people who are diagnosed with fantasy prone personality tend to have had a large amount of exposure to fantasy during childhood. People have reported that they believed their dolls and stuffed animals were living creatures and that their parents encouraged them to indulge in their fantasies and daydreams.[3]

 
 
 
Transliminality (literally, “going beyond the threshold”) was a concept introduced by the parapsychologist Michael Thalbourne, an Australian psychologist who is based at the University of Adelaide. It is defined as a hypersensitivity to psychological material (imagery, ideation, affect, and perception) originating in (a) the unconscious, and/or (b) the external environment (Thalbourne & Maltby, 2008). High degrees of this trait have been shown by Thalbourne to be associated with increased tendency to mystical experience, greater creativity, and greater belief in the paranormal, but Thalbourne has also found evidence that transliminality may be positively correlated with psychoticism. He has published articles on transliminality in journals on parapsychology and psychology. 
 

The categorical view of psychosis is most associated with Emil Kraepelin, who created criteria for the medical diagnosis and classification of different forms of psychotic illness. Particularly, he made the distinction between dementia praecox (now called schizophrenia), manic depressive insanity and non-psychotic states. Modern diagnostic systems used in psychiatry (such as the DSM) maintain this categorical view.[1]

In contrast, psychiatrist Eugen Bleuler did not believe there was a clear separation between sanity and madness, and that psychosis was simply an extreme expression of thoughts and behaviours that could be present to varying degrees through the population.[2]

This was picked up by psychologists such as Hans Eysenck and Gordon Claridge who sought to understand this variation in unusual thought and behaviour in terms of personality theory. This was conceptualised by Eysenck as a single personality trait named psychoticism.[3]

Claridge named his concept schizotypy and by examining unusual experiences in the general population and the clustering of symptoms in diagnosed schizophrenia, Claridge’s work suggested that this personality trait was much more complex, and could break down into four factors.[4][5]

  1. Unusual experiences: The disposition to have unusual perceptual and other cognitive experiences, such as hallucinations, magical or superstitious belief and interpretation of events (see also delusions).
  2. Cognitive disorganisation: A tendency for thoughts to become derailed, disorganised or tangential (see also formal thought disorder).
  3. Introverted anhedonia: A tendency to introverted, emotionally flat and asocial behaviour, associated with a deficiency in the ability to feel pleasure from social and physical stimulation.
  4. Impulsive nonconformity: The disposition to unstable mood and behaviour particularly with regard to rules and social conventions.
 

Psychoticism is one of the three traits used by the psychologist Hans Eysenck in his P-E-N model (psychoticism, extraversion and neuroticism) model of personality.

High levels of this trait were believed by Eysenck to be linked to increased vulnerability to psychoses such as schizophrenia. He also believed that blood relatives of psychotics would show high levels of this trait, suggesting a genetic basis to the trait.

Critics of the trait have suggested that the trait is too heterogeneous to be taken as a single trait. For example, in a correlation study by Donald Johnson (reported in 1994 at the APT International Conference) Psychoticism was found to correlate with Big Five traits Conscientiousness and Agreeableness; (which in turn correlated strongly with, respectively, MBTI Judging/Perceiving, and Thinking/Feeling).[citation needed] Thus, Costa and McCrae believe that agreeableness and conscientiousness (both which represent low levels of psychoticism) need to be distinguished in personality models. Eysenck also argued that there might be a correlation between psychoticism and creativity[1] .

 

Openness to experience (Wikipedia)

Openness to experience is one of five major domains of personality discovered by psychologists.[1][2] Openness involves active imagination, aesthetic sensitivity, attentiveness to inner feelings, preference for variety, and intellectual curiosity.[3] A great deal of psychometric research has demonstrated that these qualities are statistically correlated. Thus, openness can be viewed as a global personality trait consisting of a set of specific traits, habits, and tendencies that cluster together.

Openness tends to be normally distributed with a small number of individuals scoring extremely high or low on the trait, and most people scoring near the average. People who score low on openness are considered to be closed to experience. They tend to be conventional and traditional in their outlook and behavior. They prefer familiar routines to new experiences, and generally have a narrower range of interests. They could be considered practical and down to earth.

People who are open to experience are no different in mental health from people who are closed to experience. There is no relationship between openness and neuroticism, or any other measure of psychological wellbeing. Being open and closed to experience are simply two different ways of relating to the world.

The NEO PI-R personality test measures six facets or elements of openness to experience:

  1. Fantasy – the tendency toward a vivid imagination and fantasy life.
  2. Aesthetics – the tendency to appreciate art, music, and poetry.
  3. Feelings – being receptive to inner emotional states and valuing emotional experience.
  4. Actions – the inclination to try new activities, visit new places, and try new foods.
  5. Ideas – the tendency to be intellectually curious and open to new ideas.
  6. Values – the readiness to re-examine traditional social, religious, and political values.

Openness has also been measured, along with all the other Big Five personality traits, on Goldberg’s International Personality Item Pool (IPIP). The Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) measures the preference of “intuition,” which is related to openness to experience.

 

PSYCHOSOMATIC PLASTICITY: AN “EMERGENT PROPERTY” OF PERSONALITY RESEARCH?

by Michael Jawer

Proceeding from this framework of mind-body unity, let us return to the Boundaries concept propounded by Hartmann. The mind of the thin-boundary person, he suggests, is “relatively fluid,” able to make numerous connections, more flexible and even dreamlike in its processing than the thick-boundary person, whose processing is “solid and well organized” but not prone to meander or make ancillary connections.23 It is not surprising, therefore, that thin-boundary people exhibit the following characteristics1:
 
● A less solid or definite sense of their skin as a body boundary;
● an enlarged sense of merging with another person when kissing
or making love;
● sensitivity to physical and emotional pain, in oneself as well as
in others;
● openness to new experience;
● a penchant for immersing themselves in something-whether
a personal relationship, a memory, or a daydream;
● an enhanced ability to recall dreams; and
● dream content that is highly vivid and emotional.
 
The fluidity evidenced by the thin-boundary personality roughly equates to Thalbourne’s concept of “transliminality,” defined as “tendency for psychological material to cross thresholds in or out of consciousness.”24 Thalbourne has found that the following are part of the personality cluster of the highly transliminal person:
● creativity;
● a penchant for mystical or religious experience;
● absorption (a bent for immersing oneself in something, be it a
sensory experience, an intellectual task, or a reverie);
● fantasy proneness;
● an interest in dream interpretation;
● paranormal belief and experiences; and
● a heightened sensitivity to environmental stimulation.

 

Thin and Thick Boundaried Personalities

Studies show that one’s personality type plays a big role in the intensity of the dream experience and the amount of dream recall present in our waking life. The two types are described as thin boundary and thick boundary personalities. A Hartmann study shows that those who are classified as the thin boundary type tend to experience longer dreams, with a higher intensity of emotion, feeling, color, vividness, and interaction in them than did those classified as thick boundary types.  Those who are considered to be thin boundary personalities tend to have a heightened emotional sensitivity within their dream states.  The best way to describe this idea is that every type of emotion a thin boundaried person has is much more exaggerated within their dreams, which leads to the possibility of more nightmares.  They do not differentiate dreams from reality like a thick boundaried person does.

What differentiates the the two boundary types is a separation between mental process, thoughts and functions. Those with thin boundary type tend to often merge thought with feeling, have a difficulty with focusing on one thing at a time, daydream or fantasize, experience forms of synaethesia, have more fluid sense of self and tend to “merge” more with those who are close to them.
Those with thick boundaried personalities have much more separation between what is real and what is imaginary. They tend to have a distinct focus on one thing at a time, differentiate between thoughts and feelings, real and fantasy, self and others, lack strong memories from childhood, well organized and has a strong sense of self.
It is not to say that thick boundaried people do not suffer from nightmares, it is just that they seem to seperate the two worlds of dreams and thier waking life much more so.  They also tend to do the same between their emotions and thoughts.
 
 
by Ernest Hartmann, Robert Harrison, and Michael Zborowski
 
There are a number of suggestive studies indicating that people with thin boundaries may be not only creative and open, but may have a series of other interesting and so far poorly understood characteristics.  For instance, there appears to be a relationship between thin boundaries and multiple chemical sensitivities (Jawer, 2001).  There is also a correlation between thin boundaries and a belief in or tendency to experience paranormal phenomena. Factor V of the BQ – see table 3 – appears to pick up this aspect of thin boundaries and has been labeled “clairvoyance.”.  Groups of people who characterize themselves as shamans or psychics score thin on the BQ (Krippner, Wickramasekera, Wickramasekera, & Winstead, 1998).  Thalbourne and his collaborators, in their studies of persons who experience paranormal phenomena, have devised a “Transliminality scale” to measure these traits ( Lange,  Thalbourne, Houran, & Storm 2000;  Thalbourne, 1991).  Preliminary analysis suggests a high correlation (r = 068) between thin boundaries and the Transliminality Scale.
These relationships may be worth exploring further, since two very different hypotheses may explain them.  The most parsimonious view would be that all “paranormal” phenomena are imaginary, and that people with thin boundaries simply have better or looser imaginations, are more suggestible, or are more sensitive with a tendency to elaborate creatively on their sensitivities.  On the other hand, we could consider the possibility that phenomena such as telepathy, now considered paranormal could be related to transmission of information using perhaps portions of the electromagnetic spectrum which we are not usually able to detect.  Under unusual circumstances our ability to detect such information could be altered slightly, and quite possibly there might be inter-individual differences in the ability to detect information of this kind.  If so, it is possible that persons with thin boundaries who are sensitive in so many other ways, may also be sensitive to detecting such portions of the spectrum.

 

You don’t have to be crazy to believe in the paranormal but does it help?

by Chris French

Psychopathological Tendencies and Paranormal Belief/Experience 

    * Paranormal beliefs/experiences correlate with tendency towards bipolar (manic) depression

Dissociativity 

    * Dissociativity has been shown to be related to the tendency to report a wide range of paranormal and anomalous experiences

Fantasy Proneness 

    * fantasy-prone individuals spend much of their time engaged in fantasy, have particularly vivid imaginations, sometimes confuse imagination with reality, and report a very high incidence of paranormal experiences

Schizotypy 

    * Multidimensional
    * Different factors of schizotypy relate to different factors of paranormal belief/experience in complex ways (e.g., Irwin & Green, 1998-1999)
    * Unusual Experiences factor most consistently related to paranormal beliefs/experiences
    * Concerned with aberrant perceptions and beliefs
    * Sub-clinical tendencies towards hallucinations and delusions

Does Paranormal Belief/Experience = Psychopathology? No! 

    * High levels of belief/experience in general population
    * Correlations around 0.6
    * Believers scores raised but not typically to pathological levels
    * Atypical groups of believers (e.g., psychical research groups) have quite low levels of schizoptypy

A Link with Childhood Trauma? 

    * Both fantasy proneness and tendency to dissociate are associated with reports of childhood trauma
    * Defence mechanism?
    * Paranormal belief also correlates with reports of childhood trauma

 

Dissociations of the Night: Individual Differences in Sleep-Related Experiences and Their Relation to Dissociation and Schizotypy

by David Watson

I examined the associations among sleep-related experiences (e.g., hypnagogic hallucinations, nightmares, waking dreams, lucid dreams), dissociation, schizotypy and the Big Five personality traits in two large student samples. Confirmatory factor analyses indicated that (a) dissociation and schizotypy are strongly correlated―yet distinguishable― constructs and (b) the differentiation between them can be enhanced by eliminating detachment/depersonalization items from the dissociation scales. A general measure of sleep experiences was substantially correlated with both schizotypy and dissociation (especially the latter) and more weakly related to the Big Five. In contrast, an index of lucid dreaming was weakly related to all of these other scales. These results suggest that measures of dissociation, schizotypy and sleep-related experiences all define a common domain characterized by unusual cognitions and perceptions.

 

by Shelley L. Rattet and Krisanne Bursik
 
Do individuals who endorse paranormal beliefs differ from those reporting actual precognitive experiences? This study examined the personality correlates of these variables in a sample of college students, 61% of whom described some type of precognitive experience. Extraversion and intuition were associated with precognitive experience, but not with paranormal belief; dissociative tendencies were related to paranormal belief, but not precognitive experience. The importance of conceptualizing and assessing paranormal belief and precognitive experience as separate constructs is discussed.
 
 
by J.E. Kennedy
 
Paranormal beliefs and experiences are associated with certain personality factors, including absorption, fantasy proneness, and the Myers-Briggs intuition and feeling personality dimensions. Skepticism appears to be associated with materialistic, rational, pragmatic personality types. Attitude toward psi may also be influenced by motivations to have control and efficacy, to have a sense of meaning and purpose in life, to be connected with others, to have transcendent experiences, to have self-worth, to feel superior to others, and to be healed. The efforts to obtain reliable control of psi in experimental parapsychology have not been successful. Given the lack of control and lack of practical application of psi, it is not surprising that those who are by disposition materialistic and pragmatic find the evidence for psi to be unconvincing. When psi experiences have been examined without a bias for control, the primary effect has been found to be enhanced meaning in life and spirituality, similar to mystical experiences. Tensions among those with mystical, authoritarian, and scientific dispositions have been common in the history of paranormal and religious beliefs. Scientific research can do much to create better understanding among people with different dispositions. Understanding the motivations related to paranormal beliefs is a prerequisite for addressing questions about when and if psi actually occurs.

 

by Joe Nickell
 
Despite John Mack’s denial, the results of my study of his best thirteen cases show high fantasy proneness among his selected subjects. Whether or not the same results would be obtained with his additional subjects remains to be seen. Nevertheless, my study does support the earlier opinions of Baker and Bartholomew and Basterfield that alleged alien abductees tend to be fantasy-prone personalities. Certainly, that is the evidence for the very best cases selected by a major advocate.
 
 
 
by Per Andersen

While most of the studies of the psychopathology of UFO witnesses have demonstrated no pathological patterns in general, many of the studies nevertheless have discovered some specific personal traits for various groups of witnesses.

It has been difficult in most studies uniquely to characterize these personality traits of UFO witnesses and to describe them in a simple way. To that it should be added, that traits described in different studies vary a great deal from each other.

In a [U.S.] Fund for UFO Research-sponsored experiment, 9 witnesses were tested for psychopathology (MMPI) and their personalities were described by Dr. Elizabeth Slater. All nine had reported UFO abductions. The most significant aspect of the experiment was, however, that Dr. Slater did not know what the 9 persons had in common (if anything) (Bloecher 1985).

Dr. Slater did in fact find some similarities between the nine subjects, although these were played down by the sponsors. She described the subjects as a very distinctive, unusual and interesting group. They did not represent an ordinary cross- section of the population from the standpoint of conventionality in lifestyle. Several of the subjects could be labelled downright “eccentric” or “odd”. They had high intellectual abilities and richly evocative and charged inner worlds — highly inventive, creative and original.

What then about “ordinary” UFO witnesses that have not been abducted or in regular contact with space beings, but have experienced what I would label low strangeness sightings of UFO phenomena? For these groups of witnesses also some special personality traits have been identified in various studies.

Over [a period of] 17 years, Dr. Leo Sprinkle [University of Wyoming] tested 225 persons reporting mixed UFO experiences ranging from a light in the sky to being abducted. A study of these 225 witnesses showed that they had profiles with certain unique characteristics. Witnesses exhibited a high level of psychic energy, a tendency to question authority or being subject to situational pressure or conflicts, and to be self-sufficient and resourceful. Other characteristic were: above-average intelligence, assertiveness and a tendency to be experimenting thinkers (Parnell 1988).

Another major study of 264 persons did not find any significant differences between witnesses of various types of sightings (Ring 1990). However, the research showed that UFO witnesses reported more sensitivity to non-ordinary realities and having a higher tendency towards dissociation. It also documented that UFO witnesses and people with near-death experiences had very similar personality traits. There also seems to be a significant relationship between having UFO sightings and the personal belief system of the witnesses. This has been documented by T.A. Zimmer who found relationships between sightings and belief in occultism and science fiction (Zimmer 1984, 1985) as well as Spanos et al from the University of Ottawa. They found that witnesses to low-strangeness sightings had a tendency to esoteric beliefs and belief in UFOs (Spanos 1993).

 

by Martin Kottmeyer
 
It seems logical at this point to ask if the psychology of nightmares can throw any light on what is happening in alien abduction experiences. While not all the puzzles of nightmares have been solved, psychology has recently made significant strides in understanding why some people develop them and others do not. In building a profile of nightmare sufferers Ernest Hartmann developed a conceptual model termed boundary theory which expands on a set of propositions about boundaries in the mind formulated by a handful of earlier psychoanalytic theorists. It is from Hartmann’s study “The Nightmare” that we will develop the blueprint of our argument. (8)
 
Boundary theory begins with the axiom that as the mind matures, it categorises experiences. It walls off certain sets to be distinct from other sets. Boundaries become set up between what is self and what is non-self, between sleep and waking experiences, between fantasy and reality, passion and reason, ego and id, masculine and feminine, and a large host of other experiential categories. This drive to categorise is subject to natural variation. The determinants of the strength of that drive appear to be biochemical and genetic and probably have no environmental component such as trauma. When the drive is weak the boundaries between categories are thinner, more permeable or more fluid. When the boundaries become abnormally thin one sees psychopathologies like schizophrenia. Hartmann discovered individuals who suffer from nightmares have thin boundaries. >From this central mental characteristic one can derive a large constellation of traits that set these people apart from the general population.
From earliest childhood, people with thin boundaries are perceived as “different”. They are regarded as more sensitive than their peers. Thin character armour causes them to be more fragile and easily hurt. They are easily empathic, but dive into relationships too deeply too quickly. Recipients of their affection will regard them as uncomfortably close and clinging and they are thus frequently rejected. Experience with their vulnerability teaches them to be wary of entering into relationships with others. Adolescence tends to be stormy and difficult. Adult relationships — whether sexual, marital or friendships — also tend to be unsettled and variable. A slight tendency to paranoia is common.
 
One-third will have contemplated or attempted suicide. Experimentation with drugs tends to yield bad trips and is quickly abandoned. They are usually alert to lights, sounds and sensations. They tend to have fluid sexual identities. Bisexuals are over-represented in the nightmare sufferers’ population and it is rare to find manly men or womanly women in it. Macho pigs apparently do not have nightmares. They are not rule followers. Either they reject society or society rejects them. They are rebels and outsiders. There is a striking tendency for these people to find their way into fields involving artistic self-expression; musicians, poets, writers, art teachers, etc. Some develop their empathic tendencies and become therapists. Ordinary BLUE or white collar jobs are rare.
Hartmann believes the predominance of artists results from the fact that thin boundaries allow them to experience the world more directly and painfully than others. The ability to experience their inner life in a very direct fashion contributes to the authenticity of their creations. They become lost in daydreaming quite easily and even experience daymares — a phenomenon people with thick boundaries won’t even realise exists. This trait of imaginative absorption should also make nightmare sufferers good hypnotic subjects. (9)
Boundary deficits also contribute to fluid memories and a fluid time sense.
 
To be considered a candidate for the hypothesis that one is a victim of alien abduction a person must present certain symptoms. Among the factors which are looked for are conscious memories of an abduction, revealing nightmares, missing time, forgotten scars, or dramatic reactions to seemingly trivial stimuli like distant nocturnal lights. The last four factors act as screening devices to yield a population of boundary deficit individuals. This is blatant in the case of people whose candidacy is based on nightmares of aliens. It is subtler in the other symptoms.
People who have thin boundaries in their time sense virtually by definition will experience episodes of missing time. People with fluid memories could easily lose track of the event that led to the creation of a scar. People with weak ego-id boundaries and a sense of powerlessness probably would over- react to distant inexplicable lights as symbols of power. These candidates, in turn, are subject to further screening by their performance under hypnosis. The thicker the boundary, the less likely it is that a convincing narrative will emerge or be accepted as emotionally valid. We would predict the final population of abduction claimants would be biased in favour of a high proportion of boundary-deficit personalities.
 
The evidence that abductees have boundary-deficit personalities is, if not definitive, reasonably convincing. The points of correspondence between abductees and nightmare sufferers are several and consistent.
Ufology regards the Slater psychological study of nine abductees as an experimentum crucis for the view that abductees are victims of real extraterrestrial intrusions. It affirmed not only the normality of abductees, but offered a hint of traumatisation in the finding that abductees showed a tendency to display distrust and interpersonal caution. It is time to remind everyone, however, of what Slater’s full results were reported to be. Slater found abductees had rich inner lives; a relatively weak sense of identity, particularly a weak sexual identity; vulnerability; and an alertness characteristic of both perceptual sophistication and interpersonal caution. (10)
All four of these traits are characteristic of boundary-deficit minds. Clearly the abduction-reality hypothesis is, in this instance, unparsimonious. It fails to explain the presence of rich inner lives, weak identities and vulnerability. (I reject Slater’s post hoc attempt to account for the weak sexual identity via childhood trauma induced by involuntary surgical penetrations as undocumented, and just plain weird.) It should not be over- looked that Slater volunteered the opinion that her test subjects did not represent an ordinary cross-section of the population. She found some were “downright eccentric or odd” and that the group as a whole was “very distinctive, unusual, and interesting”. (11)
This nicely parallels Hartmann’s observation that boundary- deficit personalities are perceived as “different” from “normal” people. Slater’s study does indeed seem to be an experimentum crucis, but the conclusion it points toward is perfectly opposite from what ufologists have been assuming.
The boundary-deficit hypothesis evidently can also be invoked to explain the unusual proportion of artist-type individuals that I discovered in testing Rimmer’s hypothesis. Roughly one-third of abductees showed evidence of artistic self-expression in their backgrounds in my sample population, as you may recall. Hartmann’s study would also lead us to expect an unusual number of psychotherapists among abductees. In a recent paper, Budd Hopkins reported that in a population of 180 probable abductees he found many mental health professionals: two psychiatrists, three PhD psychologists and an unstated number of psychotherapists with Master’s degrees. (12)
 
by Neil Douglas-Klotz
 
Recent studies in cognitive psychology suggest that Western psychology still struggles for the language to describe the difference between a “psychotic” and a “spiritual” state in a nuanced way (for instance in the new anthology on psychosis and spirituality edited by Isabel Clarke, 2000). For instance, Claridge (2000) and others have sought to define a new personality type called “schizotypy” which is neutral with respect to illness or pre-disposing to illness and yet describes a person prone to “skinlessness” (or weakened cognitive inhibition), enhanced access to internal and external events, the reduced ability to limit the contents of consciousness and “transliminaliy.” In this view, the difference between non-pathological “psychoticism” and actual “psychosis” depends on history, circumstances and genetic pre-disposition.
 
Clarke herself (2000) proposes a “discontinuity” theory, which states that polarization of psychotic states and spiritual ones is a false dichotomy. She combines work by Kelly (the “personal construct theory”) as well as Teasdale and Barnard (“interacting cognitive subsystems,”1993) to suggest, among other things, that a “transliminal experience” means operating beyond a construct system and that, from an informational processing model point of view, a transliminal experience is created by a breakdown between the implicational and propositional subsystems of the mind. According to Clarke, the advantage of mystics of all traditions, many of which also include a very practical ability to this model is that it brings psychosis into the realm of universal human experience.
 
In both of these models, however, the attempt to describe a spiritual or mystical state in terms of modern psychology suffers from the need to begin with the Western language of pathology. In other words, does the mere presence of transliminality, reduced ability to limit the contents of consciousness, and the other definitions offered really describe the diverse experiences of the great mystics of all traditions, many of which also include a very practical ability to handle interpersonal relationships and accomplishment in the world?
 
Recent studies in cognitive psychology suggest that Western psychology still struggles for the language to describe the difference between a “psychotic” and a “spiritual” state in a nuanced way (for instance in the new anthology on psychosis and spirituality edited by Isabel Clarke, 2000). For instance, Claridge (2000) and others have sought to define a new personality type called “schizotypy” which is neutral with respect to illness or pre-disposing to illness and yet describes a person prone to “skinlessness” (or weakened cognitive inhibition), enhanced access to internal and external events, the reduced ability to limit the contents of consciousness and “transliminaliy.” In this view, the difference between non-pathological “psychoticism” and actual “psychosis” depends on history, circumstances and genetic pre-disposition.
 
Clarke herself (2000) proposes a “discontinuity” theory, which states that polarization of psychotic states and spiritual ones is a false dichotomy. She combines work by Kelly (the “personal construct theory”) as well as Teasdale and Barnard (“interacting cognitive subsystems,”1993) to suggest, among other things, that a “transliminal experience” means operating beyond a construct system and that, from an informational processing model point of view, a transliminal experience is created by a breakdown between the implicational and propositional subsystems of the mind. According to Clarke, the advantage of handle interpersonal relationships and accomplishment in the world?