‘Transcend and Include’ at your own peril

‘Transcend and Include’ at your own peril

Posted on Mar 26th, 2008 by Marmalade : Gaia Explorer Marmalade
The boa constrictor thought he was second-tier and attempted to transcend and include Wilber.  Don’t make the same mistake.  Wilber is bigger than he looks.

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debyemm : Tree Hugging Dirt Worshiper

4 days later

debyemm said

Really an amazing photo and an interesting take on it.  I just posted to the Living Metaphysics pod an article in the Science of Mind magazine for April 2008 – a comparison of Spiral Dynamics to Science of Mind. 

I’ve run into a few Integralists during my time here at Zaadz/Gaia and actually their clout came up in the Gaia Community pod around Easter when the Glow Circle/Reputation Score disappeared from our profile page.


Marmalade : Gaia Child

8 days later

Marmalade said

It was actually inspired by a thread from the forum Open Source Integral.  Wilber is always a fun topic.  I partly(not primarily) joined Gaia because there were integral folk about, but I like it better than integral forums.  I appreciate integral theories, but to me they’re just one perspective amongst many… and not even my central way of looking at the world.  I don’t feel its helpful to try to reduce all ideas to an integral context.  What I like about Gaia is that there is such a mix of viewpoints.

I noticed the discussion about the Glow Circle/Reputation Score.  As I’m new here, I have no particular opinion about it.  But I probably agree with anything that Om says about it.

I suppose integralists might have some clout as some of the major members here are very into integral(eg C4Chaos).  Plus, there are many other reasons why integralists have clout.  Anyone who identifies strongly with integral theory probably does so because they believe its superior… equality/relativism is often looked down upon… and nothing wrong with that per se to the extent its true.  On top of this, the integral view promotes an attitude of wanting to help/influence/change the world… which comes from the evolutionary basis of Wilber and Aurobindo.

Integralists can be defensive against anything that stinks of New Age and can be quite territorial about fending off the New Agers which they worry will dilute the high standard of intellectuality that they idealize.  Integralists are constantly being categorized with all things New Age and there is good reason for this as there is much common ground.  A place like Gaia is one of those rare places where New Agers and Integralists cohabitate.  I’m sure there is a slight undercurrent of conflict and competition between the two camps, but also many like me who happily live in both worlds.

I’ll check out that article about Spiral Dynamics and Science of Mind.  I’ve certainly never read anything comparing those two.

Gallup Polls On Religion

I just came across a short article from UPI.com: Gallup poll: Religion, intolerance related.  It doesn’t go into much detail but points to some correlations.

The polls found that religion is less likely to be important to residents of rich countries, who are also more likely to be tolerant. But Gallup said the greater intolerance reported in religious countries cannot be explained just by differences in income.

Gallup analysts also said there are large differences among the world’s religions. Hindus are the least likely to perceive their countries as bad places for members of ethnic or religious minorities, while Jews are the most likely.

Christians also appear to be generally tolerant of minorities, while Muslims, Buddhists and Jews are not. Both Muslims and Jews in Israel appear far less tolerant than co-religionists living elsewhere.

This is the kind of information that is needed.  It’s politically incorrect to point out that not all religions are equal in all ways.  This is where a theoretical context is necessary.  Ken Wilber developed his Integral theory in order to make intelligent distinctions and understand the relationship between diverse factors.  Wilber says that not all religions are equal, but he also says that no one is stupid enough to be wrong all of the time.  It’s important to separate what is true from what is false, what is good from what is not so good.

Wilber favors Eastern meditation traditions, but this Gallup poll shows that there are distinctions.  Buddhism is popular in the US and yet Buddhism apparently is less tolerant of minorities than Hinduism.  This makes sense in that Hinduism seems very embracing of diversity.

To understand this poll data, further research would be necessary.  The type of research that I’m thinking of is something like Spiral Dynamics which is used by Wilber.  Spiral Dynamics is a model that clarifies the social development of values and how the different phases of development relate.  Another kind of research that would be helpful would be personality traits such as the Big 5.  Certain traits such as Openness would probably have direct correlation to tolerance.  Also, a different trait theory is boundary types.  Thin boundary types are more accepting of new experience.  Cultures encourage and discourage particular traits.  Both Spiral Dynamics and traits theories have been applied to various cultures, and it would be interesting to correlate the research of these with this Gallup poll.

On a related note, here is an article about Islamic Anti-Americanism.  The author discusses an earlier Gallup poll.  I only skimmed it, but it looks interesting.